** WSOP ME, $10,000 NLHE, Day 6, Sun., July 15**

[Dynasty]

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For the love of god if you don't understand why it is rediculously standard for TT to get all in against AK in a bvb confrontation then please stop posting strategy commentary.

Dynasy, I am looking in your direction.

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I get it. They're overplaying their hands and calling off huge bets when their stack size makes it completely unnecessary to play that way.

[flavio321]

i remember andrew black donking with AQ vs. john phan's push with TT.

[Jasper109]

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For the love of god if you don't understand why it is rediculously standard for TT to get all in against AK in a bvb confrontation then please stop posting strategy commentary.

Dynasy, I am looking in your direction.

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I get it. They're overplaying their hands and calling off huge bets when their stack size makes it completely unnecessary to play that way.

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I dunno, if I'm sitting there with 50 BB I'm looking to get in cheap, see a flop, try to freaking OUTPLAY somebody.

I guess I just don't understand poker strategy at the high level that is being demonstrated in this tournament.

[adanthar]

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I dunno, if I'm sitting there with 50 BB I'm looking to get in cheap, see a flop, try to freaking OUTPLAY somebody.

I guess I just don't understand poker strategy at the high level that is being demonstrated in this tournament.

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you've never played in a tournament where everyone is a)aggro and b)actually decent at poker

[ZeTurd]

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Freeman out.

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Freeman's hand was standard. All-in pre-flop for about 50 bb's. TT gets beat by AK.

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Jesus Tapdancing Christ.

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I think the pot was about 4,5 mill and with 100k BB it's actually more like 22 BB all-in pre-flop. Considering the action was raise, reraise, shove, I gotta say it seems kinda standard.

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It was a 10 million pot. Freeman had 5 million and Armburst barely covered him.

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Yeah, read it wrong. 50 BB is approximately correct.

[Kneel B4 Zod]

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For the love of god if you don't understand why it is rediculously standard for TT to get all in against AK in a bvb confrontation then please stop posting strategy commentary.

Dynasy, I am looking in your direction.

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I get it. They're overplaying their hands and calling off huge bets when their stack size makes it completely unnecessary to play that way.

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ok, these guys beat me to it. was just going to say that it's really just incomplete to say "all-in pre-flop with TT for 50BB".

here was the action:

Scott Freeman raised 325,000 from the small blind. John Armbrust raised to 1,000,000. Freeman shoved all in for 5,000,000. Armbrust called.

this could easily be a steal / re-steal situation, Freeman sees a lot of chips in the pot, and knows that he'll only get called by a very small range of hands, and he is in big trouble against even less hands. the play here really is fine.

it's much more complicated than "all-in pre flop w/ TT for 50bb"

[PoppinFresh]

lol @ the strat commentary in this thread, to everyone who thinks that people are overvaluing TT or AK 50bb deep with antes please go play some cash games vs. aggressive preflop players and get back to us

[Bill Murphy]

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scotty down to 2.8M per pokernews [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Hang in there, bay-BAY!

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Unless one of the leaders donks off all their chips to another leader, it's starting to look like a final table chop would be quite prudent.

[adanthar]

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I get it. They're overplaying their hands and calling off huge bets when their stack size makes it completely unnecessary to play that way.

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clearly, either the tens should limp/call preflop from the small blind, or just call a reraise - in a blind vs. blind battle - with the fifth best hand in poker, so that they can be OOP for the rest of the hand with 2 million in the pot and 4 mil in his stack. actually, wait, the best play is to fold (with a 57/43 edge that's certainly not enough to PUT HIS TOURNAMENT LIFE ON THE LINE.)

or maybe AK should just call the original raise (you know, holding AK) or fold to the shove (you know, holding AK).

or maybe, just maybe, they both played well and one got unlucky.