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#422
07-29-2007, 12:49 AM
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Re: 2007 AL Central -- Last Place CHW
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Saying that changeups should all look like Santana's is unfair to everyone else who throws a pretty good changeup as their only pitch keeping them in the major leagues (Glavine and Moyer, specifically). Santana's changeup is a top five pitch in the game today, easily. The others that I would include are Jake Peavy's slider, Rich Hill's curve, and Mariano's cutter. Not sure on the other one. [/ QUOTE ] Ervin Santana's gopher ball? 
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#423
07-29-2007, 01:44 AM
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Re: 2007 AL Central -- Last Place CHW
Wakefield's Knuckleball LDO
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#424
07-29-2007, 03:37 AM
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Re: 2007 AL Central -- Last Place CHW
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Tyner, HR. Not lying. And if anyone wants to see what a changeup SHOULD look like, Santana is putting on a clinic today. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, there is no way Tyner actually hit a home run. I have like 1600 ABs worth of futility on my side, so I won't even bother to look at the box score. I simply know that you are wrong and he did not actually take one deep.
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#425
07-29-2007, 03:46 AM
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Re: 2007 AL Central -- Last Place CHW
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Saying that changeups should all look like Santana's is unfair to everyone else who throws a pretty good changeup as their only pitch keeping them in the major leagues (Glavine and Moyer, specifically). Santana's changeup is a top five pitch in the game today, easily. The others that I would include are Jake Peavy's slider, Rich Hill's curve, and Mariano's cutter. Not sure on the other one. [/ QUOTE ] Bondo's slider LDO
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#426
07-29-2007, 04:18 AM
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Re: 2007 AL Central -- Last Place CHW
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[ QUOTE ] Saying that changeups should all look like Santana's is unfair to everyone else who throws a pretty good changeup as their only pitch keeping them in the major leagues (Glavine and Moyer, specifically). Santana's changeup is a top five pitch in the game today, easily. The others that I would include are Jake Peavy's slider, Rich Hill's curve, and Mariano's cutter. Not sure on the other one. [/ QUOTE ] Bondo's slider LDO [/ QUOTE ] Dude you can't have two of the same type of pitch on there LDO. Otherwise you'd have to put Hamels changeup on there since > Hill's curveball.
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#427
07-29-2007, 04:36 AM
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Re: 2007 AL Central -- Last Place CHW
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Saying that changeups should all look like Santana's is unfair to everyone else who throws a pretty good changeup as their only pitch keeping them in the major leagues (Glavine and Moyer, specifically). Santana's changeup is a top five pitch in the game today, easily. The others that I would include are Jake Peavy's slider, Rich Hill's curve, and Mariano's cutter. Not sure on the other one. [/ QUOTE ] Bondo's slider LDO [/ QUOTE ] Dude you can't have two of the same type of pitch on there LDO. Otherwise you'd have to put Hamels changeup on there since > Hill's curveball. [/ QUOTE ] hmmmmmmm, so we gotta have a fastball, right? i'll be a total homer and suggest zumaya pre-jersey finger, or JJ Putz's if that doesn't count
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#428
07-31-2007, 01:43 PM
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Re: 2007 AL Central -- Last Place CHW
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[ QUOTE ] Tyner, HR. Not lying. And if anyone wants to see what a changeup SHOULD look like, Santana is putting on a clinic today. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, there is no way Tyner actually hit a home run. I have like 1600 ABs worth of futility on my side, so I won't even bother to look at the box score. I simply know that you are wrong and he did not actually take one deep. [/ QUOTE ] lol yeah, he also hit for the tyner-cycle (single, double, triple) last night too bad he's still awful [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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#429
07-31-2007, 02:27 PM
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Re: 2007 AL Central -- Last Place CHW
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Tyner, HR. Not lying. And if anyone wants to see what a changeup SHOULD look like, Santana is putting on a clinic today. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, there is no way Tyner actually hit a home run. I have like 1600 ABs worth of futility on my side, so I won't even bother to look at the box score. I simply know that you are wrong and he did not actually take one deep. [/ QUOTE ] lol yeah, he also hit for the tyner-cycle (single, double, triple) last night too bad he's still awful [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] He really isn't that bad a player overall. He just seems bad because his starting games at DH is just a perfect example of everything that is wrong with the team. As a 4th or 5th OF he does have some value as he plays decent/well in the field, is good on the bases and can hit righties decently. His line this year vs. righties: .303/.344/.395
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