Sniper's Unofficial 2+2 Post Count Analysis

[jalapenoguy]

an observation, it seems like the traffic in eld will drop and stabilize mostly because the deep discusion topics have already been done and new stuff isn't going to be enough. hard to keep up with posts after you have gone through the things that the forum was based upon.

[Aloysius]

Evan - I skim Lounge sometimes. Looking at the front page, maybe it's a bit pop-culture heavy, but there seem to be plenty of thread topics that would fit in Diablo Forum.

Also here's the Lounge FAQ:

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Welcome to the Lounge!

The Lounge is for thoughtful discussion on a variety of topics, including (but not restricted to) Cooking and Food, TV shows, Drinks, Music, Books & Writing, Art, Style, Fashion, Movies, Hobbies+Pastimes, Travel, History, Culture, Health, and Fitness.

When you use this forum, you are expected to be civil, courteous and respectful of other members. Arguing and being confrontational is fine in context, but being rude and insulting without foundation (particularly if that's all you come into a thread to do) with not be tolerated and action will be taken.

Similarly, all threads are to be 100% Safe for Work (SFW). No inline nakedness at all, and only very small pictures of semi-dressed people (about avatar size or less). Again, action may be taken as appropriate.

The Lounge and its posters pride themselves on quality content. This is not meant to discourage any insightful, interesting, or inquisitive posts that can generate good discussions and are otherwise up to the Lounge's standards for civility and SFW. However, threads and replies that are made without thought, care, or interest are inappropriate for this forum and are strongly frowned upon.


Otherwise, you are free to post as you see fit. Other rules may be made as issues arise, and this FAQ will be marked as UPDATED. Make sure you read any updates.

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Seems to be pretty much what Diablo Forum is going for?

This thread's a good example of a Lounge thread topic that has been in Diablo Forum, and is handled with the same level of in-depth discussion and thought in both places. I'm sure there are others.

-Al

[tuq]

Al,

Welcome to ATF! Feel free to take your shirt off and make yourself at home.

The thing you're clearly missing is the distinct sense of communities in each of these forums that makes them distinct. Hell, if you had 100% topic overlap between the Lounge and ElD there would be significant resistance to merging, since each has their own community of posters that feel comfortable in their own niche (and unfortunately some animosity between members of each of these groups). Both seem to be getting enough traffic and have enough support to stay the course. Such is my non-expert opinion anyway.

[[Phill]]

So how long do we wait before killing off OOT?

Seriously, what does OOT do that the other off topic forums dont do?

Other than lose traffic (El D gets a pass because the initial launch was always going to be a flash in the pan and it would tail off to a more stable figure).

So, if you write down the mission statements and topics covered, there is tonnes of overlap now. Everything in OOT seems to have a more logical home in the pyramid of:

El D Forum
The Lounge
All the micro specialist forums, like POG, LOL, Video Games, Sporting etc
BBV4L

Generally the most in depth discussion and the higher moderation is at the top, the micros pick up the specialised discussion and BBV4L picks up the "which girl is hottest" or "why am i a loser/PUA" type threads.

Obviously this changes the topics listed above, but it is a miles more logical system.

When OOT grew it needed to be split off, and now that it is, lets go for the full final step in this coming changeover.

[PottyMouth]

OOT just needs more rules to get it where it needs to be.

[[Phill]]

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OOT just needs more rules to get it where it needs to be.

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How about saying where it needs to be, or how more rules will get it there.

Is the quality of OOT *really* better than it was 6 months ago? Doe you want it to become El D Forum Light?

Looking at the forum right now its all "is she hot or not" threads, along with the odd food preparation and some threads that clearly deserve deletion or moving to BBV4L or The Dorm ('Money is so overrated' thread).

Dont get me wrong, im not saying BBV4L is the most correct forum, but the concept of a mostly unmoderated forum where just about anything goes is a forum that clearly connects with the community positively.

In my pyramid you have the deep discussion at the top which is highly moderated, then an all catch forum for discussing stuff that doesnt quite fit in El D's forum (like TV, Movies and Food) then anything really specialised is covered in those niche forums (sports, politics etc), and whats left (Hot or Not, Weed is good, Paris Hilton/Nic Cage yada yada celeb stuff) goes in the mostly unmodded forum which BBV4L represents.

Fwiw, id rename OOT, remove all the mods and bring in a few chill mods like Adanthar who have a solid hands off approach.

Id also remove BBV4L and in effect merge the two forums into one.

Then you have solid mission statements for the forums, so that both the mods and the users know exactly what goes .where

[tuq]

Phill,

Yes, let's disband the forum with the fourth highest post count (and very likely the highest number of views) as it is no longer relevant. That makes sense.

[Aloysius]

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Al,

Welcome to ATF! Feel free to take your shirt off and make yourself at home.

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Haha thanks! Your work in ATF is really your best on 2p2, imo, so I appreciate the warm welcome [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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The thing you're clearly missing is the distinct sense of communities in each of these forums that makes them distinct. Hell, if you had 100% topic overlap between the Lounge and ElD there would be significant resistance to merging, since each has their own community of posters that feel comfortable in their own niche (and unfortunately some animosity between members of each of these groups). Both seem to be getting enough traffic and have enough support to stay the course. Such is my non-expert opinion anyway.

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OK - that makes sense and yes, a reason I don't really post / read in The Lounge is I know the posters in Diablo Forum.

But I thought Diablo Forum traffic (and Lounge) traffic were an issue? If it's not, then what you're saying makes sense. If traffic is an issue seems like something 2p2 should consider (the merge).

-Al

[disjunction]

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Slightly unrelated, this thread has inadvertently let the proletariat behind the mod curtain and I have a pretty good idea of where everyone stands in Mod Wars™. I'll put a chart together when I get a minute.

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Please do this. For all of us.

[Sniper]

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Al,

Welcome to ATF! Feel free to take your shirt off and make yourself at home.

The thing you're clearly missing is the distinct sense of communities in each of these forums that makes them distinct. Hell, if you had 100% topic overlap between the Lounge and ElD there would be significant resistance to merging, since each has their own community of posters that feel comfortable in their own niche (and unfortunately some animosity between members of each of these groups). Both seem to be getting enough traffic and have enough support to stay the course. Such is my non-expert opinion anyway.

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tuq, this pretty much hits the nail on the head. The various communities on 2+2 represent different groups of posters (and to some extent different modding styles), rather than different topics. The reorganization of forums with the UBB7 upgrade should make this distinction even clearer.