SSNL POKER [cheese] thread April - Page 41

Sciolist · #**401** 04-28-2007, 10:41 AM

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to those of you playing with betpot script and are playing NL1/2, when a standardraise is 7$ or 3.5bb, what do you do when there are limpers in front? do you go straight to 4bb+1/limper (im doing so) or are you raising to 4.5, 5.5, etc and why?

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I do 3.5bb + 1/limper in SB, UTG and UTG + 1 (and BB if I'll be playing the pot oop), 4 + 1/limper everywhere else.

wrschultz · #**402** 04-28-2007, 10:47 AM

Statement: I think one of the biggest flaws in lots of ssnler's games is being afraid to choose a bet size and use it at all times. I know that when I first started playing, I thought it made sense to always make the same bet size in relation to the pot so that your opponents couldn't possibly know what you have. While this is true, if you're mixing up your bet sizes effectively, your opponent wont have a clue either.

A few quick examples:

If you have 33 on an AK7 flop and you decide to make a continuation bet, you should be more inclined to fire a big ass bet because your hand has no showdown value and you aren't getting Ax to fold to a small bet. Hell, Kx will probably call you a lot of the time if you make it 2/3 pot.

If you decide to bet on a K72 board, a smaller bet is better. Your opponents aren't floating you here often and there's no reason to try to make a big bet.

I wrote this too fast and probably didn't even convey my point well... If you get nothing else from me ever, please learn that you can still disguise your hand even if you don't always bet the same amount.

tozzy · #**403** 04-28-2007, 10:57 AM

its about pf betsizes, not postflop. good post tho.

1gotth3nuts · #**404** 04-28-2007, 11:23 AM

I get reminded constantly why im down 500 this month over 25k hands.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($91.15)
UTG ($59.35)
MP ($125.05)
Button ($59.15)
SB ($108.60)

Preflop:
1 fold, MP raises to $4, 1 fold, SB raises to $14, 1 fold, MP raises to $125.05, SB calls $94.60 (All-In).

Flop: ($234.65) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($234.65) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($234.65) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $234.65

Results in white below: 
MP has 9h 9s (straight, queen high).
SB has Kd Kh (one pair, kings).
Outcome: MP wins $234.65.

lucky_mf · #**405** 04-28-2007, 11:29 AM

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If you have 33 on an AK7 flop and you decide to make a continuation bet, you should be more inclined to fire a big ass bet because your hand has no showdown value and you aren't getting Ax to fold to a small bet.

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I would be more inclined to bet this one smallish as I'm not getting anyone to fold Ax with a reasonable bet (i.e. without a big overbet - and even then it is iffy). The best I can hope for is that they fold a PP, a K, or a 7 - which they typically will to 2/3 of the pot cause the ace is scary.

Lucky

bilbo-san · #**406** 04-28-2007, 11:40 AM

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A few quick examples:

If you have 33 on an AK7 flop and you decide to make a continuation bet, you should be more inclined to fire a big ass bet because your hand has no showdown value and you aren't getting Ax to fold to a small bet. Hell, Kx will probably call you a lot of the time if you make it 2/3 pot.

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I agree with your statement about bets, but this is silly. Firing here is not about getting Kx or Ax to fold. It's about getting 88 or 66 or, hell, J9 to put you on an A or K and fold, because you have THREE THREE.

wrschultz · #**407** 04-28-2007, 11:50 AM

Yeah definitely came up with a terrible example. The point I'm trying to make should be clear though... Think about the reasons for making different sized bets on different boards. My example and explanation were really bad but I'm too tired to fix it. I'll write a great post tomorrow... [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

EDIT: Ok just thought of a point that should make sense. Like I said earlier, when I first started playing, I only made 2/3 sized bets... I was so afraid to give away the strength of my hand, that I was costing myself tons of money on every flop. Always beting exactly the same amount regardless of your hand or the texture of the board is like cutting off your left arm so people can't see your fingernails. For the most part, my bet sizing is based on my opponents range and the texture of the board over anything else.

Fletcher19 · #**408** 04-28-2007, 11:59 AM

good point wr and even better analogy

Imrahil · #**409** 04-28-2007, 12:02 PM

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What are good winrates at Stars NL100?

10ptbb/100 over a decent sample definitely possible?

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Impossible.

cbloom · #**410** 04-28-2007, 12:09 PM

Help me out with some 3-bet strat :

Say you 3-bet light and some TAG 4-bets you. He's unknown but seems okay, maybe 2+2. Do you assume he's 4-betting light? You 3-bet him once before and he folded. What would your response be, to shove over his 4-bet light or to call the 4-bet and play a flop? Or just fold? (assume you 4bet to 14 BB or so and he 4bet to 35 BB or so).