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If you're consistent, and just say that you won't ever fold them (preflop) regardless of circumstance, isn't it +EV? [/ QUOTE ] Of course. It's impossible to be -EV with Kings. But this is equivalent to saying - isn't it a +EV strategy to never fold aces postflop? Of course, but it must be correct to fold them SOMETIMES. As another analogy, say a man approached you and offered you 3 propositions. In one instance, he will give you 2:1 on a coinflip. In another, he will give you 1.5:1, and in another, he will give you 1:1. You'd never take the 1.5:1 or the 1:1 propositions just because they 'weren't negative EV.' -James |
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Now is it really necessary to add insult to injury?!?
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Even AA vs five random, unpaired/paired hands is -EV [/ QUOTE ] Way way wrong. What hand of these 5 have better preflop equity? If I'm BB, with 9 all ins in front of me, I want to se AA when I look at my cards. |
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Just lost KK to AA twice; all-in preo-flop....
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If you're consistent, and just say that you won't ever fold them (preflop) regardless of circumstance, isn't it +EV? [/ QUOTE ] Porbably, but it would even more +EV to lay them down every time you were against AA. |
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"Just lost KK to AA twice; all-in preo-flop....
At least I'm not a pussy" I've lost KK to AA on several times when it looked likely that they had AA when I called. But I'm still probably a pussy. |
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[ QUOTE ] Even AA vs five random, unpaired/paired hands is -EV [/ QUOTE ] Way way wrong. What hand of these 5 have better preflop equity? If I'm BB, with 9 all ins in front of me, I want to se AA when I look at my cards. [/ QUOTE ] What I meant was that AA vs 5 random hands is still an underdog to win. Sure, you do have the best odds to win, but it's roughly 40% at this point. You don't want to get your money in with a 40% of winning. |
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What I meant was that AA vs 5 random hands is still an underdog to win. Sure, you do have the best odds to win, but it's roughly 40% at this point. You don't want to get your money in with a 40% of winning. [/ QUOTE ] I think that you should a read a few more strategy posts. You don't want to face a 40% chance of winning against one other player. Against four other players, you will win 40% of the time, but your "fair share" of the money is 20%, so you make money when you call. It's about making money, not winning pots. |
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[ QUOTE ] What I meant was that AA vs 5 random hands is still an underdog to win. Sure, you do have the best odds to win, but it's roughly 40% at this point. You don't want to get your money in with a 40% of winning. [/ QUOTE ] I think that you should a read a few more strategy posts. You don't want to face a 40% chance of winning against one other player. Against four other players, you will win 40% of the time, but your "fair share" of the money is 20%, so you make money when you call. It's about making money, not winning pots. [/ QUOTE ] aaahhhhhhhhh So since you would win 4/10 times, it would still be profitable in the long run with 5 players all in preflop right? |
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[ QUOTE ] So since you would win 4/10 times, it would still be profitable in the long run with 5 players all in preflop right? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. Also, my math was a little wrong. I originally assumed you were up against 4 other players. Your fair share of the pot is actually smaller against 5 random hands, yet your equity edge is larger. Basically, what this means is that AA gains, not loses, value from each additional player. |
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