question for the experts! - Page 4

mirceus · #1 03-16-2006, 05:57 PM

English is my second language. Could you explain what flurn means? Also could you maket it clear what is so wrong with my post?? Did I play so badly? Thank you

sunrise · #2 03-16-2006, 05:53 PM

heh, I still don't believe this is an actual 100 dollar buyin tourney. That many players in the pot? and this guy with 69 o/s calling the flop?? Yeah, sounds like a joke. Also this guy says "the BB raised 500" on the flop instead of, the BB bet 500. The BB couldn't have raised until there was a bet. Of course this goes without saying. Either this is a joke, or a play money table.

mirceus · #3 03-16-2006, 05:51 PM

Please explain. If I made such a BIG mistake that you all think it is a joke, I would love to know what that is. Could you spare me the irony however? As I said, I would like an advice from you, not ironical remarks. Thanks a lot.

Neek · #4 03-16-2006, 05:53 PM

There is no defense for a fish who catches his cards. Except to keep playing him because he'll pay you off eventually.

Pat Southern · #5 03-16-2006, 05:56 PM

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Please explain. If I made such a BIG mistake that you all think it is a joke, I would love to know what that is. Could you spare me the irony however? As I said, I would like an advice from you, not ironical remarks. Thanks a lot.

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I would have checkraised the flurn.

Hannibal · #6 03-16-2006, 05:59 PM

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I would have checkraised the flurn.

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Then smooth called the Turiver?

seke2 · #7 03-16-2006, 05:57 PM

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Please explain. If I made such a BIG mistake that you all think it is a joke, I would love to know what that is. Could you spare me the irony however? As I said, I would like an advice from you, not ironical remarks. Thanks a lot.

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Listen. If you want advice:

1) Tell us what happened in the hand correctly
2) Tell us what the stack sizes were of each player involved in the hand

As far as advice, those who have said you should have raised preflop were right. YOU made a mistake by not raising. Just because you have a great hand like KK doesn't mean that you don't want to raise preflop because other people will fold. You want to raise because they'll call you ANYWAY when you raise, and thus make a bigger mistake. Obviously they made a "mistake" when they limped without knowing you had KK, but you made a mistake when you didn't make them pay more to play the hand.

Once there was some sort of raise behind you (which was technically illegal as you described it, since blinds were 100/200 and the SB raised to 300, which is not legal since the minimum raise would be 400 there, 2x the previous bet), you had a chance to reraise, which is a great spot. But there, when you raise, the pot was already like 1500, so your raise of 600 more to 900 was offering fantastic drawing odds to the other players in the hand. If any of them had an ace, they had the proper odds to call, and once the BB called, the 2 limpers had to call only 600 more into a pot of nearly 3000, which meant that they almost had the proper odds to call even with their hands that were much worse than your hand.

The way you played the hand, the only one making significant mistakes by the fundamental theory of poker was you, since the other players typically had the appropriate pot odds to call your raises, at least preflop.

mornelth · #8 03-16-2006, 11:13 PM

Advice : next time you encounter a player like this - get his phone number, e-mail addy and home address. Be very nice to him and invite him to all your home games and ask him to give you a holler when he's going to a casino to play live poker.

He'll put your kids through college, or pay for whatever else you need money for.

P.S. Variance can be a cold, hard beotch - take comfort in knowing that you played correctly.

Erik Blazynski · #9 03-17-2006, 02:18 AM

I believe that you made a couple mistakes. First you believe that if you play the hand correctly that you should win. That is not the case. It is a mistake and counter productive to hold this belief.

You also misplayed the hand. When you raised the preflop raise you didn't raise nearly enought. Seems like you have some pretty deep, use those chips to make you some bread.

ellipse_87 · #10 03-17-2006, 03:39 AM

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I tried to put to practice Sklansky's fundamental theorem of poker which supposedly will make you a winner if you correctly apply it!! ... In my opinion we applied the wonderful, so fundamental and smart theorem of poker which makes you a winner, and we lost in front of a completely retarded player.

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Proper implementation of the Fundamental Theorem will win you money over the long term, not in every single hand in which you apply it. When your opponent makes a mistake, his chances of winning the hand are not thereby reduced to zero.