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Old 11-10-2007, 10:51 PM
raze raze is offline
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Default Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves

He definitely squeezes light, plus he called off 100bb with KJo against a screw play, so I figure AQ to be quite strong against his range, especially given he should be folding a lot of pocket pairs here (assuming he squeezes with some of them).

So if a 4bet is correct here, and if I'm always calling AI against a 5bet, then my 4bet should be sized for maximum fold equity, does that make any sense?
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Old 11-10-2007, 10:53 PM
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Default Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves

no, you want to give him the impression he has FE
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Old 11-10-2007, 10:55 PM
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Default Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves

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So if a 4bet is correct here, and if I'm always calling AI against a 5bet, then my 4bet should be sized for maximum fold equity, does that make any sense?

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no, it should be sized to maximize expectation. it should also fit into your overall gameplan. shoving fits into a shoving type gameplan w/ Axs hands as well as your big hands. 4 betting 2.5xish fits into a gameplan that allows you to make some 4bet bluffs w/ hands like 67o then fold to a shove. when you are doing this he will also be shoving hands like JTs sometimes as a 5bet bluff knowing you 4bet bluff sometimes.

making some sort of PSB or making it 300 is just dumb and will usually result in you getting the money in bad the majority of the time you get it in.
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Old 11-10-2007, 11:05 PM
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Default Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves

id 4ball even smaller, like 245.
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Old 11-10-2007, 11:08 PM
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Default Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves

everything LucidDream says i agree with. fwiw.
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Old 11-10-2007, 11:11 PM
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Default Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves

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will usually result in you getting the money in bad the majority of the time you get it in.

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thats just so wrong in this hand.
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Old 11-10-2007, 11:16 PM
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Default Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves

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will usually result in you getting the money in bad the majority of the time you get it in.

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thats just so wrong in this hand.

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not really - unless you are talking about something very villain specific.

why do i click on these threads thinking they will be good
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Old 11-10-2007, 11:18 PM
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Default Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves

so ur saying that if you 4bet to 300 or 370 like you said you would, that he is going to be sticking the money in here w/ worse than AQ often?

find a HH where you have put over half your stack in on a 4bet 100bb deep w/ AQ and he's shown up w/ something worse like AJ, KJ, etc...
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Old 11-10-2007, 11:20 PM
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Default Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves

lol @ re potting it
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Old 11-10-2007, 11:23 PM
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Default Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves

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So, you have to decide before you 4-bet if you want to play for stacks.

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srsly how the hell do you not know how you're going to react to a shove before you 4bet? Christ that's awful
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