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11-03-2007, 12:37 AM
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Re: Double Barrel Float
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i still stand by the logic that if you call that flop and bet the turn, you better bet the river but you really should just be folding the flop. [/ QUOTE ] I'm sorry, folding the flop seems a little silly to me. If we're going to fold this flop, we should prob. just fold pf, which is certainly ok. This villain and most are cbetting this board quite often. If he opens 8% of his range UTG and cbets 90% of it on this board, why would we fold? 
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#33
11-03-2007, 12:42 AM
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Re: Double Barrel Float
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[ QUOTE ] i still stand by the logic that if you call that flop and bet the turn, you better bet the river but you really should just be folding the flop. [/ QUOTE ] I'm sorry, folding the flop seems a little silly to me. If we're going to fold this flop, we should prob. just fold pf, which is certainly ok. This villain and most are cbetting this board quite often. If he opens 8% of his range UTG and cbets 90% of it on this board, why would we fold? [/ QUOTE ] uh - b/c the board has an Ace in it and he raises only 8% of his hands, AND he's UTG which puts him on premium hands only? I don't get it - why would you think about calling the flop? You only have mid pair on a board that probably hit villain.
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#34
11-03-2007, 12:50 AM
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Re: Double Barrel Float
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i still stand by the logic that if you call that flop and bet the turn, you better bet the river but you really should just be folding the flop. [/ QUOTE ] I'm sorry, folding the flop seems a little silly to me. If we're going to fold this flop, we should prob. just fold pf, which is certainly ok. This villain and most are cbetting this board quite often. If he opens 8% of his range UTG and cbets 90% of it on this board, why would we fold? [/ QUOTE ] uh - b/c the board has an Ace in it and he raises only 8% of his hands, AND he's UTG which puts him on premium hands only? I don't get it - why would you think about calling the flop? You only have mid pair on a board that probably hit villain. [/ QUOTE ] Obv an Ace hits a huge part of his range. Can't argue that whatsoever. I've played enough with him to know that he's opening 22+ always and suited connectors sometimes also. Even if he was only opening the actual top 8% of hands, we've got like 20-25% equity against his cbetting range. Take our implied odds on the potential 5 outer and our ability to steal the pot later sometimes and calling the flop is easily +EV.
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#35
11-03-2007, 01:05 AM
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Re: Double Barrel Float
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Obv an Ace hits a huge part of his range. Can't argue that whatsoever. I've played enough with him to know that he's opening 22+ always and suited connectors sometimes also. Even if he was only opening the actual top 8% of hands, we've got like 20-25% equity against his cbetting range. Take our implied odds on the potential 5 outer and our ability to steal the pot later sometimes and calling the flop is easily +EV. [/ QUOTE ] lol - implied odds on a wimpy two pair? Do you really think he's going to stack off with something that loses to 9T? you basically have 2 outs to catch another T to really say you have implied odds - definitely not enough EV. you might as well make this play with 27 b/c you're pretty much bluffing everytime
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#37
11-03-2007, 01:10 AM
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Re: Double Barrel Float
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[ QUOTE ] Obv an Ace hits a huge part of his range. Can't argue that whatsoever. I've played enough with him to know that he's opening 22+ always and suited connectors sometimes also. Even if he was only opening the actual top 8% of hands, we've got like 20-25% equity against his cbetting range. Take our implied odds on the potential 5 outer and our ability to steal the pot later sometimes and calling the flop is easily +EV. [/ QUOTE ] lol - implied odds on a wimpy two pair? Do you really think he's going to stack off with something that loses to 9T? you basically have 2 outs to catch another T to really say you have implied odds - definitely not enough EV. you might as well make this play with 27 b/c you're pretty much bluffing everytime [/ QUOTE ] Floating in spots where your avg. equity is higher makes a significant difference in the overall EV of the float, but whatever. You obv. hate the hand, that's fine. It's undoubtedly thin and I don't expect everyone to look at and say std, nh.
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#39
11-03-2007, 01:19 AM
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Re: Double Barrel Float
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[ QUOTE ] Floating in spots where your avg. equity is higher makes a significant difference in the overall EV of the float [/ QUOTE ] agreed, but this is not one of those spots [/ QUOTE ] YOU WIN, congrats
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