Preflop, Newbie Questions

[MyironThumb]

people actually fold QQ preflop these days?

i think you have to call flop bet on hand one if your willing to call preflop. but it makes your hand pretty transparent.

hand 2 i prefer just calling preflop and getting it in on a safe flop if he is really nitty. if not i dont mind 4 betting either

[AsydRayne]

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I disagree. First, where do you draw the line? I don't see a lot of people stacking off for 100bbs with JJ but certainly nobody would argue that four betting QQ from the button would be a bluff. What about JJ? TT? AK?


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Against some players 4-betting qq from the button is a bluff as well. If you are 4-betting for value the important thing is their CALLING range, not their 3-betting range. I would consider 4-betting AK a semi-bluff.

Would you 4-bet 22 here? Against most opponents, it has the same value. It may be that you think 4-betting any two cards is profitable here. In that case go for it. I bluff 4-bet my hands that don't have enough value to call though.

I suppose it depends how willing you are to make a play on the flop. If someone is 3-betting you so wide that they can have any high card and will stack with tpwk, then I suppose 4-betting 99 pre can be valuable, because you'll have no clue how to play the flop.

FWIW, I don't usually 4-bet JJ or TT either, unless I'm pretty sure he's calling/stacking light. Trying to take the lead back by 4-betting is kind of useless because you're committing too much of your stack to the pot to be able to get away.

[pdoran10]

Yeah the tweener hands like 88, 99, aq are an interesting spot when we get three bet. Tbh I think if we are getting 3 bet by a huge range, both calling in position and making a smallish four bet are fine. I lean towards a smallish four bet when out of position or if I don't have a good feel on how villain plays postflop. If I know how villain plays postflop and/or have position, I like taking a flop and playing poker. I think calling is optimal, but 4 betting is more unexploitable, and the less we know about the villlain's postflop play, the more we need to be leaning towards an unexploitable line rather than an optimal line.

[hotbacon]

1st is an easy fold, if you're gonna play it then go all in though (note: i'm talking about on the flop. preflop was played well/standard)

2nd one vs teddy normally just fold, but if you've been raising him at all then 4bet small enough to present the illusion of fold equity (and obv call a shove) - he can get pretty nutso if you aggravate him even in the slightest.