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Old 10-17-2007, 06:21 PM
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If only NYC had gypsy cabs...
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Old 10-17-2007, 06:24 PM
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Cab companies don't *have* to offer more services in a "more regulated market". By artificially restricting supply compared to demand, the government ensures that any cabby can do the minimum and charge the maximum and always have a warm body in the back seat any time he wishes.

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Many industries enjoy being regulated because the regulators keep competitors outs.

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Of course they do. I'd imagine that just about every restaurant owner in DC loved the idea of smoking bans. They take the edge off of having to compete.

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I assume you mean take the edge off of them having to compete with bar/dinners?
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Old 10-17-2007, 06:27 PM
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I was trying to get a cab to the airport in NYC and town cars kept asking me if I wanted a ride, but I wasn't coughing up $60. Then some guy in a tan, beat-up town car pulled up and offered $40 flat to airport.

as he drove, i realized he wasn't a legit cab at all, and just some huge dude. He then tells me he is going to avoid the tolls and starts driving through some neighborhoods in queens.

I was like, w...t...f. I started texting myself details about him and the car in case he killed me.
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Old 10-17-2007, 06:28 PM
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Cab companies don't *have* to offer more services in a "more regulated market". By artificially restricting supply compared to demand, the government ensures that any cabby can do the minimum and charge the maximum and always have a warm body in the back seat any time he wishes.

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Many industries enjoy being regulated because the regulators keep competitors outs.

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Of course they do. I'd imagine that just about every restaurant owner in DC loved the idea of smoking bans. They take the edge off of having to compete.

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I assume you mean take the edge off of them having to compete with bar/dinners?

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Or smoke-free restaurants.
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Old 10-17-2007, 06:41 PM
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Do you know how much a taxi license out there costs? Alaska sounds sweet!



[/ QUOTE ] What I thought were just dispatcher fees was indeed also permit fees ( or lease ). When I was in Alaska, 1990, Permits could be leased for $700 a month. Don't know what the cost of buying one is. My guess is that there were very few regulations other then the payment for a permit. I didn't drive a cab myself, but many of my friends did and they weren't restrited as to fees or hours (certainly not that I could tell) they worked whenever they wanted. There may have been a standard airport fee, for example, that I'm just unaware of. I tried to call one of my old friends and ask him, but I've been unsuccessful. .
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Old 10-17-2007, 10:05 PM
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Taxi service is not a monopoly in any major city and there is nothing to stop cab companies from offering more services in a more regulated market.



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According to this article, the San Diego Metropolitan Transit Service MTS, determines how many taxi cabs can operate economically in the city and what they should charge for a service. The problem is that the same regulatory committee is in charge of the busses and trolleys operating in the city. With the costs of busses and trolleys skyrocketing, the MTS regulates fewer taxi cabs so that cheap and ubiquitous cabs don’t interfere with the profitability of busses and Trolleys. The article that I’ve referenced, outlines silly rules that the regulators have enacted that force upward pressure on prices. For example: All taxi’s must display their fees on their doors. When at an airport, commuters must select the first taxi in line ( there are even regulators present at the airport to enforce this ). In a free market, a taxi cab that had too high a price listed on his door, could ostensibly wait all day long without ever getting a fare.

San Diego's Terrible Taxi-opoly

The second article that I will reference, uses Montgomery County as an example of what it says is, “representative of the taxi-cab industry in other jurisdictions around the country.” Here is an excerpt,

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“the County sets the rates that the companies in this industry will charge. They also set the number of cabs that will be allowed to operate in their jurisdiction. The County sets the hours of when these companies must be open, and even determines who the alleged "owner" can sell or transfer his interest in his company to.

prices are no longer the guiding force of capital in this industry. Here, the owner is less inclined to satisfy the wants of the riding public. He has greater incentives to be politically connected and to satisfy his bureaucratic constituents.

The question naturally arises, why does the industry put up with this? Actually, they put up with it rather well. New licenses are only issued to existing carriers, as a practical matter. New entrants are excluded from participating in this industry.”


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Taxi Socialism

Sure, in some instances, regulation may not interfere much, such as my example of Anchorage Alaska. However, regulation can have horrible effects such as in the San Diego example. My OP was contrasting my personal experiences as a user of cab services between San Diego and Anchorage. I've never owned a cab, so I might have gotten some details wrong. But the bottom line is that in Anchorage, taxi's are ubiquetous and cheap, whereas in San Diego, you can hardly find a cab and they are very expensive. I personally, noticed that nearly every drunken patron of a bar in Anchorage catches a cab either by himself or with friends, but far fewer people bother in Sandiego.

I managed to write this entire post without calling you a name. I wasn't aware that name calling was permitted, but even so, I almost always refrain from the practice.
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Old 10-17-2007, 10:08 PM
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yukoncpa,

You are my hero until further notice.

vhawk,

You're fired.
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Old 10-17-2007, 10:47 PM
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yukoncpa,

You are my hero until further notice.

vhawk,

You're fired.

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[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] You cant fire me I quit.
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Old 10-18-2007, 12:25 AM
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Meh, this thread reminds me of our new heavily regulated transport system on santiago(de chile) [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img].
Goverment sometimes puts me on political tilt [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]
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Old 10-18-2007, 11:05 AM
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Cab companies don't *have* to offer more services in a "more regulated market". By artificially restricting supply compared to demand, the government ensures that any cabby can do the minimum and charge the maximum and always have a warm body in the back seat any time he wishes.

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Many industries enjoy being regulated because the regulators keep competitors outs.

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Why else would the current established gaming companies want intarweb gambling to be regulated?
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