4 bet pot with QQ, completely lost - Page 4

Marwan · #31 10-11-2007, 01:57 AM

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i think he has a k here like always...

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I dunno anything about the player but given stats I'd think he has a K like <15% of the time.. unless he's normally prone to flat AK for 100BB's 4-handed I don't see it

Jay Riall · #32 10-11-2007, 01:59 AM

And OP - given how I view your posting in this thread (i.e. you are likely a big nit) 4betting pre is awful.

cs3 · #33 10-11-2007, 02:01 AM

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i think your perception of how regulars play 3-bet and 4-bet pots is way off

Fat Nicky · #34 10-11-2007, 02:01 AM

i don't see why people are over reacting the 4-bet pre-flop. it's 4-handed, so we're effectively in the CO seat, and we got 3-bet by the button. 4-betting is completely fine and standard here, as is flat-calling. to say 4-betting is bad is ridiculous, even if call > 4-bet

RikkiDee · #35 10-11-2007, 02:10 AM

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i think your perception of how regulars play 3-bet and 4-bet pots is way off

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ok so gathered from this thread, here are the rules:

only 4 bet KK+ preflop

in a 3 bet pot, overpairs are the nuts

everyone at 1/2 flat calls AK to a 4 bet

jordiepop · #36 10-11-2007, 02:12 AM

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i think he has a k here like always...

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I dunno anything about the player but given stats I'd think he has a K like <15% of the time.. unless he's normally prone to flat AK for 100BB's 4-handed I don't see it

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regardless of stats and ranges. when a shove comes on the flop like that... hes not bluffing.

RikkiDee · #37 10-11-2007, 02:20 AM

and regardless of anything, saying "never 4 bet QQ" is an absurd statement

Marwan · #38 10-11-2007, 02:21 AM

It's hard to really assess how often he has a K without knowing his tendency with AK, which is the big deciding factor for me to make/not make this call.. since it seems like AK/AA/Air if you assume that he's not going to turn some under pair like Jacks or 10's into a bluff.. at first ff.glance this really looked like air to me for some reason but could be way off

RikkiDee · #39 10-11-2007, 02:24 AM

i think its about less than 2% chance that he turned TT-QQ into a bluff here, since I could easily be trapping

tarheeljks · #40 10-11-2007, 02:26 AM

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at first ff.glance this really looked like air to me for some reason but could be way off

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yeah. when i first read this i interpreted the pf flat combined with this shove as being JJ/TT enough to warrant a call; i was assuming that AK tends to get pushed or folded pf though.