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#31
10-08-2007, 06:45 PM
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Re: Easy Fold with Two Pair in 3bet Pot
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] In retrospect, I think I should be calling here. He doesn't have to be bluffing hardly at all to make this a call. Board: Ks Td 6s Kh Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 25.957% 25.96% 00.00% 217 0.00 { JcJh } Hand 1: 74.043% 74.04% 00.00% 619 0.00 { TT, AKs, AsQs, AsJs, KQs, QJs, JsTs, Ts9s, AKo } [/ QUOTE ] You need 33% to call. [/ QUOTE ] Thanks captain obvious, but this shows that he doesn't have to be bluffing often to make this a call. [/ QUOTE ] Oh, what a suprise. 
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#32
10-08-2007, 06:47 PM
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Re: Easy Fold with Two Pair in 3bet Pot
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] btw, why would anybody fold the flop here? [/ QUOTE ]We like moneyz [/ QUOTE ] wtf, do you really think he's c/f the hands we beat alot? [/ QUOTE ] The point is that the flop sucks. It's not like you made a commitment to call this flop when you called preflop. [/ QUOTE ] Someone help me out here? I think not calling the flop is a mistake. It's like we don't play in the same games or something. He's 3betting light here and firing the flop with air a [censored] ton.
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#33
10-08-2007, 06:51 PM
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Re: Easy Fold with Two Pair in 3bet Pot
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] btw, why would anybody fold the flop here? [/ QUOTE ]We like moneyz [/ QUOTE ] wtf, do you really think he's c/f the hands we beat alot? [/ QUOTE ] The point is that the flop sucks. It's not like you made a commitment to call this flop when you called preflop. [/ QUOTE ] Someone help me out here? I think not calling the flop is a mistake. It's like we don't play in the same games or something. He's 3betting light here and firing the flop with air a [censored] ton. [/ QUOTE ] It's not like it was a steal raise from your part, so I don't think you're that great shape vs his pf 3-bet range on this flop. So unless you think a) you're comfortable to get it in on this board or b) you think he's going to slow down on the turn with worse hands I think folding is better. Calling isn't terrible, but I prefer folding. In my games 23/19 doesn't re-raise an iso raise oop with a wide range. Don't know about yours.
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#34
10-08-2007, 06:55 PM
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Re: Easy Fold with Two Pair in 3bet Pot
As for his range, prob something like 99+/AK/AQ sometimes maybe KQs/AJs/88. Of course he can mix it up, but this is what I believe to be pretty standard to 3-bet for him preflop.
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#35
10-08-2007, 07:21 PM
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Re: Easy Fold with Two Pair in 3bet Pot
umm I think vilain is 3-betting light here a lot!
And I think calling this flop is pretty standard if there's any history... As for the hand I'm probably folding turn, but as mentioned I think draws are a big portion of his range, so it's pretty close...
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#36
10-08-2007, 07:23 PM
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Re: Easy Fold with Two Pair in 3bet Pot
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btw, why would anybody fold the flop here? [/ QUOTE ] Because his range is ahead of ours after the worst flop ever falls. We only beat pure bluffs (very rare) or draws (we don't even have a lot of equity vs draws). Basically best case scenario is we have 0 FE against his draw. We call him down or something and he gets to play his draw profitably or turn it into a bluff on a scarecard for us and make us fold. Just fold flop, we cant play profitably against his range on this board.
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