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#31
09-19-2007, 07:09 PM
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Re: I make a lot of questionable decisions
people call way more then they bluff. Plus morons call even more. Plus maybe we get to 3bet, how awesome would that be?
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#32
09-19-2007, 07:11 PM
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Re: I make a lot of questionable decisions
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people call way more then they bluff. Plus morons call even more. Plus maybe we get to 3bet, how awesome would that be? [/ QUOTE ] i think getting raised on this river given the nature of these guys would be bad news.
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#34
09-19-2007, 07:41 PM
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huh? why is the river bad to check if no one has anything? if no one has anything, they cannot call our bet. so, the only way to get money into the pot is to check and hope they bluff at it. am i missing something here? [/ QUOTE ] He is saying that you need to lead the river for value against hands that will call (like KQ etc), but not bet if you check, because you have shown aggression the whole time, you are gonna get it checked back to you by weaker queens (and sometimes KQ). If the river came off a straight card then it could easily make someone 2 pair or a set in which case we may get one or 2 people for 2 bets with a CR.
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#35
09-19-2007, 08:07 PM
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Re: I make a lot of questionable decisions
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[ QUOTE ] huh? why is the river bad to check if no one has anything? if no one has anything, they cannot call our bet. so, the only way to get money into the pot is to check and hope they bluff at it. am i missing something here? [/ QUOTE ] He is saying that you need to lead the river for value against hands that will call (like KQ etc), but not bet if you check, because you have shown aggression the whole time, you are gonna get it checked back to you by weaker queens (and sometimes KQ). If the river came off a straight card then it could easily make someone 2 pair or a set in which case we may get one or 2 people for 2 bets with a CR. [/ QUOTE ] you think KQ is gonna call this river? what the hell???
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#36
09-19-2007, 08:13 PM
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Re: I make a lot of questionable decisions
Bob, weren't you arguing for betting the river earlier in the thread?
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#37
09-19-2007, 08:22 PM
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you think KQ is gonna call this river? what the hell??? [/ QUOTE ] Sorry I meant KJ. I was posting as though we had paired our Q on the flop. OOps.
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#38
09-19-2007, 08:23 PM
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Re: I make a lot of questionable decisions
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One comment about my stop-n-go on the flop and turn: I was thinking if I 3-bet the flop, it would tie everyone to the pot, and anyway one pair wasn't a great holding on this highly coordinated flop -- therefore the draws have as much equity in this pot as I do (especially if the diamond draws have overcards). I thought if I waited to see the turn, I could slow down if a diamond, K, or 7 showed up, otherwise I could ramp back up and bet it if a safe card showed. Not 3-betting reduced the pot by 2BBs at least, making it unprofitable for gutshots to call the turn. [/ QUOTE ] At the same time, I don't want a Jack/Queen to drop on the turn and for me to be a huge dog and not know it until its 2-3 bets back to me. I like 3 betting this draw heavy flop and finding out where I stand. If capped, I'd cc turn and lead/cr river pending the opponent.
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#39
09-19-2007, 08:28 PM
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Re: I make a lot of questionable decisions
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Bob, weren't you arguing for betting the river earlier in the thread? [/ QUOTE ] i do think it is a bet. that said, i thought the "bet cuz all the draws missed" logic was bad and needed to be exposed. the river is a bet, but is so because pairs will call, not because draws missed. if we knew they all had busted draws, it is 100% a check, unless there is a nut who will bluffraise the river.
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#40
09-19-2007, 08:50 PM
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Re: I make a lot of questionable decisions
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[ QUOTE ] Bob, weren't you arguing for betting the river earlier in the thread? [/ QUOTE ] i do think it is a bet. that said, i thought the "bet cuz all the draws missed" logic was bad and needed to be exposed. the river is a bet, but is so because pairs will call, not because draws missed. if we knew they all had busted draws, it is 100% a check, unless there is a nut who will bluffraise the river. [/ QUOTE ] Who said they all had busted draws? The idea is that no one has better than a medium strength hand, and those handranges tend to check behind in live games.
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