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#31
08-28-2007, 04:23 PM
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Re: Why my 12 months in Iraq were NOT wasted.
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[ QUOTE ] So to reiterate: when a human being drops a bomb from high above the clouds on a city where other humans live (and he himself lives on the other side of the world), he it not to blaim for the murder, even if he voluntarily agreed beforehand to do such a thing if it was asked of him? Instead, other people are to blaim even if they are opposed to this action, and are forced to pay for the funding of the operation? [/ QUOTE ] It is covered in the bible (the BIG BOOK for those who believe in the imaginary friend for grownups, called GOD)that you are to follow the orders of your commanders when in the military. They preached that to us in basic training. I would prefer we hold an Olympics, or chess tournament, to determine who wins, but nobody will employ my recommendation. [/ QUOTE ] What? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] 
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#32
08-28-2007, 04:24 PM
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Unfortunately, that's not the way our military works. If you enlist for 4 years, you are in for 4 years and required to fullfill your duties. [/ QUOTE ] Well, sure. But that's not the same as saying "If it worked a different way, it wouldn't be worth having". [ QUOTE ] If those soldiers who protested the war, were allowed to be discharged early, without penalty, we'd have major problems. [/ QUOTE ] That depends on what you mean by "we". Certainly, some people would be worse off, but others would be better off. [ QUOTE ] Bush is already having problems with many military members not re-enlisting, and, he will not be able to continue his "surge" in Iraq beyond March08, without the draft, or extending the tour of duty in Iraq longer than 15 months. The generals have already stated that 15 months is the max, and should be no more than 12 months. [/ QUOTE ] Isn't this just saying that the problem is in forcing people to do what they don't want to do? [ QUOTE ] How does it work in Canada? [/ QUOTE ] We send our best soldiers to the National Hockey League and don't keep track of the rest.
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#33
08-28-2007, 06:11 PM
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Re: Why my 12 months in Iraq were NOT wasted.
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Government doesn't have to convince everyone to consume their product. [/ QUOTE ] Sort of, in so much that they have to keep the masses appeased just enough not to revolt. [ QUOTE ] Government doesn't have to compete against other government for your tax dollars. [/ QUOTE ] Sort of, in so much as effort is required on diplomatic or military efforts to prevent hostile takeover and thus, the annexation of a new tax base. They aren't competing against other government indirectly for your purchasing decision as much as competing directly against each other for possession of you, at it's most basic level.
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#34
08-28-2007, 08:42 PM
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Did you know that 47 countries have reestablished their embassies in Iraq Did you kno that the Iraqi government currently employs 1.2 million Iraqi people ? Did you know 3100 schools have been renovated 364 schools are under rehablilitation 263 new schools are under construction Did you know that Iraq's higher educational structure consists of 20 universities 46 Institutes or colleges and 4 research centers all currently operating Did you kno that 25 Ira students departed for the United States in January 2005 for the re-established Fulbright program Did you know that the Iraqi Navy is operational ? They have a 5-100 foot patrol craft 34 smaller vessels and a naval infantry regiment Did you know that Iraq's air force consists of three operational squadrons which include 9 reconnaissance and 3 US C130 transport aircraft (under Iraqi control). They operate day and night and 16 UH-1 Helicopters and 4 Bell Jet Rangers Did you know they have a counter terrorist unit and a commando battalion Did you knwo that the iraqi police service has over 55,000 fully trained and equipped police officers did you know aht there are 5 police academies in iraq That produce 3500 new officers each 8 weeks Did you know there are more than 1100 building projects going on in Iraq.... 364 schools, 67 public clinics, 15 hospitals, 83 railroad stations 22 oil facilitys, 93 water facilities and 69 electrical facilities. Did you know that 96 % of iraqi children under the age of 5 have recieved the first 2 series of polio vaccinations and that 4.3 million iraqi children were enrolled in primary school by mid October. Did you know that there are 1.192000 cell phone subscribers in Iraq and phone use has gone up 158 % Did you know that Iraq has an independent media that consists of 75 radio stations 180 newspapers and 10 TV stations. Did you know that the Baghdad Stock Exchange opened in June of 2004 did you know that 2 candidates in teh iraqi presidential election had a televised debate recently. OF COURSE YOU DID NOT KNOW WHY ? YOUR MEDIA WON'T TELL YOU. Instead of reflecting our love for our country we get photos of flag burning incidents at abu ghraib and people throwing snowballs at the presidential motorcades. Tragically the lack of accentuating the positive in iraq serves two purposes. It is intended to undermine the worlds perception of the United States thus minimizing consequent support (NIELSO) and it is intended to discourage american citizins (NIELSO) Every single fact about is verifiable on the department of defense web site. www.defenselink.mil [/ QUOTE ] Did you know all this means [censored] if you're dead?
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#35
08-28-2007, 08:50 PM
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Re: Why my 12 months in Iraq were NOT wasted.
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Now, when will the citizens of Baghdad have electricity more than....what is it....2 hrs a week? Compared to 24/7 prior to the fireworks brought to them courtesy of the Good Ol' U.S. of A.? [/ QUOTE ] I see this all the time and I can't believe people think it's true. Iraq was a third world stinkhole with a third world infrastructure before 2003. It still is. Criminals in Iraq have been ripping down the power lines for the same reason criminals in America do it. Scrap copper = $$$. I lived in a powerplant in Baghdad for six months. It was the most [censored] up post-apocalyptic Mad Max Rube Goldberg thing I have ever seen. The place was running at less than 25% capacity and dumping oil directly into the Tigris 1km upstream from the water treatment facility for that part of town. Has anyone here ever seen or read a story where the reporter asks an expert about the power grid in Iraq? Do you think this lack of solid journalism stops here?
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#36
08-28-2007, 10:41 PM
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Re: Why my 12 months in Iraq were NOT wasted.
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1. Is it voluntary? 2. Is all that spending private money? If not, who's is it? 3. How many people have died? 4. Who profits from the deaths? [/ QUOTE ] Yes, if we were not there, Iraq could be just like the AC paradise of Somalia. Everything would be voluntary. Private money would only be spent, no one would die and nobody would profit off of the death of the innocent.
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#37
08-28-2007, 10:47 PM
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Re: Why my 12 months in Iraq were NOT wasted.
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Did you know all this means [censored] if you're dead? [/ QUOTE ] Not true. It just means that ungrateful ignorant [censored] can say it doesn't on the internet.
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#38
08-28-2007, 10:49 PM
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Re: Why my 12 months in Iraq were NOT wasted.
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[ QUOTE ] 1. Is it voluntary? 2. Is all that spending private money? If not, who's is it? 3. How many people have died? 4. Who profits from the deaths? [/ QUOTE ] Yes, if we were not there, Iraq could be just like the AC paradise of Somalia. Everything would be voluntary. Private money would only be spent, no one would die and nobody would profit off of the death of the innocent. [/ QUOTE ] "If we don't rob that bank, someone else will!"
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#39
08-28-2007, 10:54 PM
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Re: Why my 12 months in Iraq were NOT wasted.
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[ QUOTE ] Did you know all this means [censored] if you're dead? [/ QUOTE ] Not true. It just means that ungrateful ignorant [censored] can say it doesn't on the internet. [/ QUOTE ] What exactly is there to be grateful for concerning the Iraq war? We have more of a terrorist problem in BOTH Iraq and Afghanistan than when we started this latest war. There are tens of thousands of innocents dead. And all at the cool low low price to the taxpayers of $10-15B every month and we've put decades of wear and tear on our military in just 4 years. At least some fat cats are getting stinky rich off the war, maybe they're thankful. Me? No thanks.
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#40
08-28-2007, 11:16 PM
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Re: Why my 12 months in Iraq were NOT wasted.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Did you know all this means [censored] if you're dead? [/ QUOTE ] Not true. It just means that ungrateful ignorant [censored] can say it doesn't on the internet. [/ QUOTE ] What exactly is there to be grateful for concerning the Iraq war? We have more of a terrorist problem in BOTH Iraq and Afghanistan than when we started this latest war. There are tens of thousands of innocents dead. And all at the cool low low price to the taxpayers of $10-15B every month and we've put decades of wear and tear on our military in just 4 years. At least some fat cats are getting stinky rich off the war, maybe they're thankful. Me? No thanks. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, but we stole all that oil! Profit!!!
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