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#32
08-15-2007, 10:32 PM
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Re: AJ Squeeze, flops Ace, river?
i quite like the small river value bet an earlier poster suggested. i think 20 is a little too small, but 30-40 is a good amount, and calling a shove obviously. i have found recently that you can squeeze alot of value with marginal hands against bad players.
against the donks you need to value bet super thin. i have started doing this with really small bets, because the donks look them up so often with bottom pair, A high etc. 
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#33
08-15-2007, 10:33 PM
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Re: AJ Squeeze, flops Ace, river?
If villain is bad checking the flop has a lot of value here, because villain will often say "wow he didnt cbet the ace, he cbets a lot so he must have whiffed". This is simplistic thinking, but sometimes that's all there is to it.
I think people shouldn't brush off CrimsonDuck's advice so lightly. Against a good player, betting 20 and folding to a c/r is obviously ridiculous. Don't think though that there aren't players out there tho that will quickly call 20 yet fold to a shove every time here with the marginal stuff we beat like T9s/TT/JJ or whatever.
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#34
08-15-2007, 10:35 PM
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Re: AJ Squeeze, flops Ace, river?
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[ QUOTE ] those other 2 cards fit right into the heart of my opponents range [/ QUOTE ] I don't get this bit at all....plz explain [/ QUOTE ] i think he means the 8 and 9 hit alot of suited connectors JT, J9, T9, 98, 87, T8, 76 etc. i think he means that the other 2 cards have given him a draw, or 2 pair, or a weak pair, the point being that it gives us something to value bet on the flop, wheras an A22 flop leaves nothing to valuebet against except for a weaker ace.
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#35
08-15-2007, 10:36 PM
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Re: AJ Squeeze, flops Ace, river?
i think making some weird small bet is the worst of the 3 options
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#36
08-15-2007, 10:37 PM
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Re: AJ Squeeze, flops Ace, river?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] those other 2 cards fit right into the heart of my opponents range [/ QUOTE ] I don't get this bit at all....plz explain [/ QUOTE ] i think he means the 8 and 9 hit alot of suited connectors JT, J9, T9, 98, 87, T8, 76 etc. i think he means that the other 2 cards have given him a draw, or 2 pair, or a weak pair, the point being that it gives us something to value bet on the flop, wheras an A22 flop leaves nothing to valuebet against except for a weaker ace. [/ QUOTE ] I presumed that's what he meant, but he's not calling us with midpair or with a gutshot and one SC has just hit 2 pair on us...so are we really vb vs OESD and thats it??? Seems VERY thin to me
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#37
08-15-2007, 10:37 PM
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Re: AJ Squeeze, flops Ace, river?
We agree about pushing the river so I'm going to comment on the flop play.
Basically, checking the flop will make it possible to extract more from worse hands. There are plenty of hands that can take a stab on the turn that would definately fold the flop. PPs, gut-shots, pure air etc. And no, I don't agree we have much value in betting this flop. Not many will stack off with Ax (x < 8) here and we can still get value from them by betting the turn (and river if we'd like). Checking the flop will make him more likely to call down with worse Ax. If all money goes in on the flop we're most likely a big dog, he'll have A9/A8/99/88/98 more often than not, esp playing for 135bb. Also, people at this limit like to cc with AQ preflop and I wouldn't be too suprised if he shows up with AK even though it should obv be discounted. Thing is when the money goes in on the flop these hands are waaay more likely than AT/Ax/JT and I think that's pretty obvious.
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#38
08-15-2007, 10:37 PM
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Re: AJ Squeeze, flops Ace, river?
wtf!?
bet river! the only question is if you shuld shove or bet like half his remaining stack. why the hell would he plan to ch/call any better hand on the river after you you show zero aggression postflop? (in other words why would he think tht hero would bet worse. your line looks like TT-KK btw and he'll call with the same range
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#39
08-15-2007, 10:42 PM
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Re: AJ Squeeze, flops Ace, river?
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Hey Tarheeljks, I think you are confusing a situation where you are WA/WB and a river bet essentially has no value and the spot we are debating here... [/ QUOTE ] it's the river; of course it's wa/wb
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#40
08-15-2007, 10:43 PM
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Re: AJ Squeeze, flops Ace, river?
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I presumed that's what he meant, but he's not calling us with midpair or with a gutshot and one SC has just hit 2 pair on us...so are we really vb vs OESD and thats it??? Seems VERY thin to me [/ QUOTE ] this is basically what i was thinking. it appears to just be a disagreement over how often he's calling w/ pp's/AT,etc i'm still not sure what a flop bet accomplishes. he's probably folding a large portion of his range
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