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#31
08-16-2007, 12:09 PM
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Re: $30nl two barrel a backdoor draw vs 2p2er?
I looked up this hand in my db - I had K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] - there would have been some serious wreckage if this hand made it to the river and a diamond peeled [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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#32
08-16-2007, 12:20 PM
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Re: $30nl two barrel a backdoor draw vs 2p2er?
[ QUOTE ]
I looked up this hand in my db - I had K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] - there would have been some serious wreckage if this hand made it to the river and a diamond peeled [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] yeah Q+draw is the hand i never got round to mentioning in my posts but is definately a consideration. i think i like yr play vs me, but i've lost quite a bit doing it against less aggro people.
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#35
08-16-2007, 03:43 PM
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Re: $30nl two barrel a backdoor draw vs 2p2er?
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Calling with KQ OOP to a button raise is beyond me [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] are you serious? its soooo easy to take it away post flop and KQs is a great hand for me both in and out of position but yeah i guess 3bet is a little more standard, tho if they were actually deep as they should have been i think a call is fine
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#37
08-16-2007, 11:54 PM
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Re: $30nl two barrel a backdoor draw vs 2p2er?
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are you serious? its soooo easy to take it away post flop and KQs is a great hand for me both in and out of position [/ QUOTE ] Please tell me you are leveling.
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#38
08-17-2007, 12:00 AM
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Re: $30nl two barrel a backdoor draw vs 2p2er?
check the turn. unless he has a habit of calling one street than folding the next (ie. with something like 99 here).
lets think about his range abit. pf- his range is almost strictly pps/scs. i doubt there are many monsters (ie. AA/AK) or medium hands like KQ/etc. (though there might be). flop-i would think he c/r-es his monsters and that his range is more geared towards hands who want to get to showdown. i would think either 88/99/etc here occassionally a Q and thats about it. as stated, i think he would c/r or donk a set and the like here. so, i guess after rethinking a bit more, if you think you have a decent amt of FE (which, imo, you do), i would bet like $6.
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#39
08-17-2007, 02:02 AM
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Re: $30nl two barrel a backdoor draw vs 2p2er?
I wish I didn't see results, but I think this is AQ/KQ/QJ/set most of the time, and an underpair a smaller fraction of the time.
I think alot of the time you're getting set up for a CR here on the turn, with such a dry board.
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#40
08-17-2007, 02:11 PM
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Re: $30nl two barrel a backdoor draw vs 2p2er?
slightly gratuitous bump to link this into PNL.
On page 134 in PNL there's a hand that's fairly similar (Hero picks up a flush draw to go along with his middle pair on a K72r board). Sunny and Matt suggest that if stacks are short you should bet (smaller implied odds, less concern about being cr) and if deep you should check. If Sunny or Matt see this, I was wondering how you'd approach this hand with various stack sizes? Also, what do you think about betting when deep as a pot builder (like jonny said) vs checking to avoid getting check-raised? presumably with less of a cr threat you are more inclined to bet... any thoughts on how to judge the cross-over point with out doing a lot of maths? commitment SPR
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