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#31
08-06-2007, 05:42 PM
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Re: Fish Safety Sites ? Not supported by the market, but there is variety
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think you 100% missed OP's point. He was in no way talking about fish who want to become sharks. He was talking about fish who are happy being fish. There are many people out there that view poker as a game to play with their buddies over a few beers. They play for the fellowship and good times. They love retelling stories of their "crazy hands", which would probably just seem commonplace to us who play 1000+ hands per day. These people don't have a place to play online anymore. [/ QUOTE ] Well I said it doesn't apply to everyone, but the percentage of players you are referring to is <1% and I am referring to these players: "He was talking about fish who are happy being fish" These people generally do not exist. 
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#32
08-06-2007, 05:58 PM
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My point was: TruePoker is as fish friendly as the market tolerates
Fish can and do get shelter from PT and HUDs at Truepoker, but that is not a marketing strategy to exploit, because Fish are not so self-aware. Yes, probably many fish want to be sharks, but NOT all. (Example, sports bettors who are playing poker as recreation are not looking to become Phil Ivey.)
Rather, we need to also market our fishiness to sharks who can win without PT or HUDs. They have the pond to themselves in that our site is not as friendly as others to sharks dependent upon such aids. The extreme analogy is perhaps flyfishing versus dynamite fishing. We appreciate the role of regular players, winning or losing, in the poker world. We offer them a VIP program which rewards volume play just for that reason. TruePoker CEO
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#33
08-06-2007, 06:04 PM
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Fish psychology is not one dimensional
There are 'fish" and also decent players who are happy playing for recreation.
Schoonmaker's Psychology of Poker is a pretty good place to read about what motivates people to play poker, aside from wanting to be a shark. (... and yes, it is sold on 2+2).
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#34
08-06-2007, 06:08 PM
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Re: Fish Safety Sites ? Not supported by the market, but there is variety
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] think you 100% missed OP's point. He was in no way talking about fish who want to become sharks. He was talking about fish who are happy being fish. There are many people out there that view poker as a game to play with their buddies over a few beers. They play for the fellowship and good times. They love retelling stories of their "crazy hands", which would probably just seem commonplace to us who play 1000+ hands per day. These people don't have a place to play online anymore. [/ QUOTE ] Well I said it doesn't apply to everyone, but the percentage of players you are referring to is <1% and I am referring to these players: "He was talking about fish who are happy being fish" These people generally do not exist. [/ QUOTE ] Disagree completely. You're biased because you mainly interact with 2p2ers or people you see at a casino. My family regularly has a game....a few decent players but most are absolutely horrible and nobody cares...literally 99% of the time everyone will see a flop and 50% of people will call down to the river. I've also played in a game like this with friends. Its much more common than you think.
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#35
08-06-2007, 06:20 PM
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Re: Fish Safety Sites ? Not supported by the market, but there is vari
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] think you 100% missed OP's point. He was in no way talking about fish who want to become sharks. He was talking about fish who are happy being fish. There are many people out there that view poker as a game to play with their buddies over a few beers. They play for the fellowship and good times. They love retelling stories of their "crazy hands", which would probably just seem commonplace to us who play 1000+ hands per day. These people don't have a place to play online anymore. [/ QUOTE ] Well I said it doesn't apply to everyone, but the percentage of players you are referring to is <1% and I am referring to these players: "He was talking about fish who are happy being fish" These people generally do not exist. [/ QUOTE ] Disagree completely. You're biased because you mainly interact with 2p2ers or people you see at a casino. My family regularly has a game....a few decent players but most are absolutely horrible and nobody cares...literally 99% of the time everyone will see a flop and 50% of people will call down to the river. I've also played in a game like this with friends. Its much more common than you think. [/ QUOTE ] Kitchen table home game =/= internet. Also, Lol at OP. The rule is, you put your money on the table and you take the risk. Saying "hey, he's too good" after you lose is irresponsible whining. To quote color of money "I didn't deserve that" "Yes, you did"
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#36
08-06-2007, 08:46 PM
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Re: The Fish Manifesto
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#37
08-06-2007, 08:58 PM
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Re: The Fish Manifesto
This would most likely chase the fish away, not because you are displaying the sharks good stats, but rather because you would be displaying their poor stats. The big losers would not be able to claim they are "about break even", and would be embarrassed that the fact they lose is being displayed for everyone to see. This is a bad idea.
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#38
08-06-2007, 09:00 PM
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Re: Fish Safety Sites ? Not supported by the market, but there is vari
I like Assani's idea. Would even benefit players like me because sometimes I only feel like 1-tabling anyway. Those tables would be guaranteed to be softer than the average table.
OP's idea is ridiculous on a ton of levels, many of which have been pointed out in this thread already. Not to mention the fact that it's impossible to give a poker player a rating based on results unless you're doing it over an extremely large sample size. Not to mention the fact that the skills required to play poker at a high level are extremely varied. In OP's scenario, the player who practices very good table and seat selection also gets slotted at a skill level far above what he actually is. This is also not fair. My favorite point that has been made in this thread, Cry Me a River said "Nobody is entitled to play NL$200 with a bunch of players who suck just as bad as they do" This idea was ridiculous and stupid from the first second I read it, and every second I think about it, the more ridiculous it gets. I think of more and more points against it every moment. I'm not going to waste my time writing any more in this post, I think everyone agrees/gets the point
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