My Report on shortstacking bots NL500-NL2000

[Hopey]

I'm curious as to your explanation for this (from the OP):

"5. The breakthrough was when I was observing how many players they need for to post the blind for the first time at a table. There were 3people playing in the hand and canichewua was waiting for the blind. When he got to the blind he sat out. So I sat down on the table. Cannichewua then sits in and waits for the blinds. I decided to not to post and sit out and when he was to post the blind he sat out. I then sat in again and instantly, 0.0seconds delay he sits in. I did this a few times just to be sure. A human who follow a strict game play (which before this new discovery was the most probable explanation) would lag a few seconds but a computer with no delay in that particular function wouldn't. Obviously the bot owner could fix this given the information about how they were discovered but every bot's code will have some flaws in it. This was this particulars bot flaw which made it possible to be detected."

[roblin]

If you are right, then I am truely sorry for the accusation. PM me your screenname on stars and I will give you $100 you and your team can buy some beers and pizzas for and maybe we can put this behind us and move forward. And I will email microgaming and retract my accusation.

The timing tell might be a just pure accidental. But it happend the 3 diffrent times I observed it and it's not that often that the situation occurs.

"The thing that is really amazing to me is that u get to describe so much about my system and that u dont get the point on it. And its very methodical just because its a system for people who never played before but also because S
short stack NLHE doesnt allow for a lot of things to happen: U just go all in or fold preflop. By the way, havent u ever noticed that they dont all play the same way when on BB and check, or when they get to double or thriple up? Those situations are not fully covered on my system, but my friends do make the plays they think are best."

I have noticed this. The play postflop you do is not very good and I guess poki would play at least as good. So I cannot take this as a counter argument, sorry. One botter could easily have 50bots running and doing all the postflop play himself. I have a good understanding of shortstacked play and I keep the jam/fold-solution for HU play close to hands when I play MTTs/SNG, even though I have a good feeling for what number the chart says for each hand. I have read slotboms books and yeah I perfectly understand why you can make money.

"To add up, shortstacked handed are hated the most. Ur post is not being "rational", its just written because plp hates short stacks. I understand this, because its impossible to properly play against them withouth a very hard analisis and in some situations they will benefit whatever u do. But thats not a problem of my friends or mine. Thats a problem about NLHE (i think NLHE is not a good game. Most NLHE arent so mathematical, so they just cant fight this system. If u havent noticed it, im just a 50 100 and 100 200 limit hold em player, and i love this system because it allows numbers to crush NL players."

Shortstackers are hated because they ruin the games. You say NLTHE is not a good game. I disagree, but I can agree that 10bb NLTHE is not a very fun game for the fish. I think the minumum buy in should be at least 20bb, but 50bb would be even greater. I respect that you follow the rules, but I dont like that you ruin the games. But the sites are most to blame for making bad rules. Still I think you are very bad for the poker comunity.

Also, all your post could be a cover up and your are attacking only some of all my points. And some issuses are still left. Do your friends collude? I have never seen any pot between two players from Valencia.

EDIT: typo

[Bill Haywood]

CONVERSATION WITH A BOT (genuine)

Bill Haywood> So, piruloo, I hear you are an automaton
Piruloo> yes
> SCHOCKDII wins $27.50
> Game # 1,517,865,756 starting.
Piruloo> im robocoop
> foldanycheck wins $4.50
> Game # 1,517,866,523 starting.
Bill Haywood> robo coop = automatic cage.
> Piruloo wins $25.50
> Game # 1,517,867,515 starting.
> Piruloo shows Two Pair, Kings over Jacks, with kicker card Three
(Ks Kc Jd Js 3d )
> ybom61 shows Two Pair, Kings over Jacks, with kicker card Seven
(Kh Kc Jd Js 7s )
> ybom61 wins $47.50 with Two Pair, Kings over Jacks and kicker card Seven
> Game # 1,517,869,174 starting.
> pacopil wins $9
> Game # 1,517,869,711 starting.
> ybom61 wins $4.50
> Game # 1,517,869,925 starting.
Piruloo> do you think im a bot???
Bill Haywood> Define love, I don't think a bot could.
> ybom61 wins $34.50
> Game # 1,517,870,948 starting.
> Piruloo wins $19.50
> Game # 1,517,871,785 starting.
Piruloo> mmmm
Piruloo> love is
> ybom61 wins $16.50
> Game # 1,517,872,474 starting.
Piruloo> a massive bukkake over you
Bill Haywood> what's a bukkake?
Piruloo> its ok?
Piruloo> ameal
> ybom61 shows One Pair, Aces
(Ah Ad Qh Jd 10h )
> ybom61 wins $50 with One Pair, Aces
> Game # 1,517,874,496 starting.
Bill Haywood> That's a nonsequitor, obviously a random chat generator.
Piruloo> lol
> Bill Haywood wins $13.50
> Game # 1,517,875,730 starting.
Piruloo> you are a great opium smoker
Piruloo> LOOOOOOL

[Bill Haywood]

MORE BOT TALK (Pacopil is also from Valencia)


Bill Haywood> paco, you a bot too?
pacopil> y im robocop
> showdownoff shows a Straight, Six high
(6s 5d 4c 3c 2s )
> showdownoff wins $47.50 with a Straight, Six high
> Game # 1,517,965,423 starting.
Bill Haywood> But that's what the other bot said. You're programed to make the lame joke, "I am robocop."
Piruloo> LOL
> foldanycheck wins $10.50
> Game # 1,517,966,185 starting.
Piruloo> y
Bill Haywood> Paco, define "hate."
> pacopil, you have 10 seconds to respond
> pacopil, you have 5 seconds to respond
> showdownoff wins $4.50
> Game # 1,517,967,224 starting.
pacopil> i change software for say im terminator
Piruloo> its amazinbg how retarded is ppl
Piruloo> great AI
> showdownoff shows Two Pair, Aces over Jacks, with kicker card Ten
(Ac Ah Jd Jh 10d )
> showdownoff wins $57 with Two Pair, Aces over Jacks and kicker card Ten
> Game # 1,517,968,914 starting.
Piruloo> morphed to terminator
> pacopil wins $10.50
> Game # 1,517,969,577 starting.
> Piruloo wins $42
> Game # 1,517,970,818 starting.
> Piruloo wins $15


Now would a bot know to reference the morphing going on in the 2nd terminator?

[Canichewua]

Hi, Im canichewua, my cousin is R2D2.

Sometimes im robocop and othertimes yourmothers mechanical dick.

Now im human, but only now.

My theory is that all people that thinks we are bots, are retarded cook sucker and goatraper.

In fact im playing more limit now because the people now is playing tighter against us and the system need to be fixed.

Pls stop follow me for the table, go to play with your sister at medics.

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!


sorry, i must go because i need change my DURACELL batteries.

[1MoreFish4U]

Mannnnnnnnnnnnn I wish someone would call me a goatraper. That sounds so cool.

[5thStreetHog]

I dont know anything about these guys being bots or not.But it is annoying hearing people brag about being able to short stack 10bbs as if theyve uncovered the secrets of the universe,congrats.Also,covertly gathering all your friends to play at a site is shady to me from the jump.

[roblin]

First, thanks piruloo, that defition of love was priceless.

Also its good to know that at least some opponents have adapted in way which makes shortstacking less profitable and that some shortstackers are now playing other games. This will increase my winrate and make the games more fun [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

If I was wrong about I am truely sorry. But given the data I had at the time, I am sure most people would come to the same conclusion. I am still not sure about the whole thing. Anyway, the decision is not mine, its Primas.

Hopefully this story leaves no innocent victim but helps to coerce the pokersites to increase the minimum buyin.