To Catch A Predator 7-18 New Jersey

[luckyjimm]

Didn't we do this thread a couple weeks ago?

[luckyjimm]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tkITqKXMu58

[hiho]

Where were they in NJ?

[MicroBob]

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all they're doing is catching perverts that probably would've never done anything if not baited with these ridiculously easy girls.

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I really think this is wrong.
A lot of these guys cruise around the net semi-regularly for some gullible girls of various ages.
Some of the people on the Predator programs have prior arrests/convictions for similar violations.

Any guy who is using some of that language with what he believes to be a 12-year-old girl is not at all 'mostly harmless' imo.

And listening to the parts of the chat that Hansen reads it sounds very much like the girl partly baits them with some pretty leading language but nothing too pornographic and next thing you know the guy is jumping in and talking about doing it 'doggie-style' and the girl is all 'tee-hee...what's that?' and then the guy talks about how he's going to do this and that and the other things to them.


Yeah, the girls are obviously kind of teases and are trying to entice them in some ways.
But the language that these guys use with the 12-year-old girls is so much more disgusting than what the girl is saying which is usually more along the lines of, "hmmm...can you show me?"

[luckyjimm]

Here's the last time we did this thread:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...rt=all&vc=1

A guy in some way connected with the programme made quite a lot of posts.

[Unoriginalname]

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all they're doing is catching perverts that probably would've never done anything if not baited with these ridiculously easy girls.

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I really think this is wrong.
A lot of these guys cruise around the net semi-regularly for some gullible girls of various ages.
Some of the people on the Predator programs have prior arrests/convictions for similar violations.

Any guy who is using some of that language with what he believes to be a 12-year-old girl is not at all 'mostly harmless' imo.

And listening to the parts of the chat that Hansen reads it sounds very much like the girl partly baits them with some pretty leading language but nothing too pornographic and next thing you know the guy is jumping in and talking about doing it 'doggie-style' and the girl is all 'tee-hee...what's that?' and then the guy talks about how he's going to do this and that and the other things to them.


Yeah, the girls are obviously kind of teases and are trying to entice them in some ways.
But the language that these guys use with the 12-year-old girls is so much more disgusting than what the girl is saying which is usually more along the lines of, "hmmm...can you show me?"

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For some reason I'm under the impression that not a lot of them have prior convictions. I could be wrong though, and if I was, then this could be helping more than I originally thought.

Also, again maybe I'm being ignorant, but wouldn't the filthy language scare off most girls in the 12-14 year old range? When I picture a girl that young that would actually be willing to meet guys in their 20s, 30s, 40s, and even 50s, I picture some lonely, confused girl without a lot of friends, possibly with daddy issues. She's not cruising the the net looking for some guy to send her penis pictures and tell her he's going to anally invade her. She's going to be way more susceptible to some smooth talker that doesn't initially talk nasty to her, and gains her trust, and tries to make sexual advances much much later, once he has the girl somewhat brainwashed. A lot of these guys on the show are totally out of touch with what these young girls are really looking for. They extrapolate their own sexual desires onto the girl.

I must have missed the last thread on this. I see this has already been talked about to death so this will probably be my last post on the matter.

Note: certainly not trying to defend these guys in any way and they get what they deserve. Just trying to make a point that I don't think this is as helpful to stopping child predators as they make it out to be.

[MicroBob]

I just skimmed the thread that luckyjimm posted (meaning I read a great deal of it) and feel much stupider as a result.
Oh well.
The guy who was in 'some way connected to the program' didn't seem to be THAT connected. A member of perverted-justice who knew a little bit about it.


The number of people in that thread who don't think it should be a crime flat-out astound me.

I don't know too much about this stuff, but I can almost promise you that the number of people they are catching are just a drop in the bucket.
I don't know how many 12-14 y.o.'s actually have sex with such predator-types but it has to be happening SOMETIMES, doesn't it?
Certainly with more of the 15 y.o. types of course.

Lots of girls who dig 'older guys' and I certainly can see a 14 y.o. thinking it's cool to be liked/found-attractive by a 25-year-old.

Also, in the show itself I have never seen the girl specifically ask for the penis-pics or make mention of "I want to be done doggie-style" or whatever.
It's always been the creepo guy who takes the conversation in that direction and the girl responding, "Oh. I see. Tee-hee. I might be scared. Does it hurt?"

I'm assuming that NBC isn't too violently editing the conversation to make him look that much worse.
Obviously to you, me and the guy they are trying to entice it would be pretty unrealistic for her to bring up the topic and ask him to do her doggie-style or something.

I think some 12-13 year-olds are probably smarter than you are aware about some things.
They are still REALLY lacking in life-experience of course. But they learn this stuff much faster in today's internet-age.
Wouldn't surprise me at all for their curiousity to be up for anything. Or to think it would be funny to talk dirty on the internet and then for it to go to far and for them to start to get curious.

[MicroBob]

My own experience with young girls on AIM:

I had a 12 year-old girl contact me via AIM repeatedly for a few months even though I mostly just ignored her.
She was the daughter of someone I worked with and apparently she liked to listen to my broadcasts on the radio.

She usually didn't say much but did occasionally ask about me being married and then say, "too bad" or something weird.

To be fair, I think it was her 15 or 16 year-old brother who was jumping on the account too and they just liked to mess with the guy that they were listening to on the radio.
But I'm pretty sure that most of the time it was just her being REALLY bored.

Pretty uncomfortable obviously.

I told her Dad about it. We were decent friends although not that tight or anything.
I said, "you know, your daughter somehow got my AOL e-mail address and likes to instant-message me during the day for some reason."
He said, "Oh yeah? That's pretty funny. She's kind of a weird girl sometimes."

Ummm, WTF?
It didn't even seem like the thought even occured to him that his daughter AIM'ing some 30-year-old guy should have been put to a stop.

I eventually met his daughter in person at some organization picnic or something and she couldn't even look me in the eye or even talk to me. Just a little girl acting like a little girl around grown-ups pretty much.
That night she's AIM'ing me constantly.
"BOB BOB BOB. I KNOW YOU'RE THERE BOB!"
etc etc.


I'm not attracted to little-girls. But if I was I'm sure I could have had a very real chance at manipulating this bored little girl into sneaking out with me or something creepy like that.
It was really uncomfortable for me.

[MicroBob]

I also recall a teacher from my high-school who was caught in a park late at night with 2 girls in the 14-ish range.

This guy was about 40 and was awkward socially as most of the TCAP types. Maybe even moreso.

I really didn't know many details about it but just now decided to look some of it up.

I didn't have him as a teacher but he was our coach/supervisor for our high-school's chess team which I was the captain of.
Nice enough guy. We would have to all pile into his car at 7am on a Saturday or something to drive 3+ hours for some high-school chess tournament somewhere.

I absolutely never would have suspected he would be capable of anything like this. Just seemed like a nice enough, quiet math-teacher guy who drove us to chess-tournaments.


You need a free subscription to read these stories from the Cincinnati Post and to do that you have to give them your CC and then cancel it and I don't really feel like dealing with the hassle.

Here's the parts of the stories I was able to see so far:

"A Talawanda High School mathematics teacher faces charges of sexual activities involving juvenile girls, Butler County Sheriff's officials said.

Gary Grove was arrested with two juvenile girls at 3 a.m. Saturday in a Butler County park, Detective Chuck Barrett said.


''All the charges are sexual, pornography. We know he's been involved with ... "


" With only 75 of more than 300 home-made sex videos reviewed so far, Butler County police say they have identified more area teen-age girls filmed with a Talawanda High School teacher.

And some of them are students at the Oxford high school, said Lt. Tony Dwyer, of the Butler County Sheriff's office.

Police say they expect to find more area girls on the videos - some showing sex acts between veteran Talawanda teacher Gary W. Grove and the girls.

''We are not sure at this point in time where this will all end,'' Dwyer said, urging anyone ... "


Until now I only thought it was a couple girls in a park and that they had some evidence of him with a couple other girls one time. Had no idea they found hundreds of sex-tapes he had.

And just think that he did all those sex-tapes and went completely uncaught for a fairly long time evidently. And that there are probably several others like him with perhaps 'only' 5-10 sex-tapes of them with little girls who were never caught.

[Bluff Daddy]

if it made you that uncomfortable why not just block her?