Barry: most poker books are written by losers

[CasinoR7]

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Source?

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"Most books are helpful if they are read at the right time in ones development. It isn't the right time for me at this point, but I try to read through the most popular titles anyway. I am they type of person who used to read math and computer science books leisurely, so poker books are not hard for me to get though, except for the boredom factor."

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[7n7]

Thanks!

[Teddy_FBI]

doyle is very good poker player

[dirty banana2007]

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Barry Greenstein has said that he reads most of the books that come out. When he says in that interview that there are no poker books written by professional players, he is clearly stating his opinion on the authors of 2+2 books as well,



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I thought Barry was referring to books written by 'winning high stakes professionals or written by low limit players or had won a tournament '.

If so which of the 2+2 authors play in the games BG is referring to? and at what level do games qualify for the low limit / high stakes levels?


As a newcomer to 2+2 books, and the poker world in general, I always assumed (perhaps wrongly) that 2+2 authors inhabit games somewhere inbetween what BG is talking about, and therefore would be exempt from his criticism of poker books on this occasion.

[Mason Malmuth]

Hi dirty banana2007:

While it's true that very few people play at the limits that Barry plays at, you may want to read this post from another thread where the same subject came up:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showth...ue#Post11087119

Best wishes,
Mason

[Mason Malmuth]

Hi TT:

I'm sure there was no intention of a shot at us, but it can still have the same effect. We just happen to now be the dominate book publisher in this field. So when Barry implies that virtually all poker books contain weak-tigh advice people are going to naturally think he's talking about Two Plus Two, and the fact is, as you know, that our advice is very different from what he characterized poker books for containing.

Best wishes,
Mason

[Matt Flynn]

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I think a few author's books were so bad (Hellmuth, Fischman, Cloutier) that they did it on purpose. They were trying to provide misinformation to the poker playing public in order to make the average player even easier to beat.

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they might well hold information back, but i can't see someone like hellmuth with his giant ego knowingly publish something that's wrong.

[Starfish]

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I think that Barry has a very good game selection. That's one of the most important skills indeed.

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Not much game selection at the limits he plays.

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I thought the Big Game starts when there's a live one in the table. And it wouldn't be like Barry, Chip, Doyle, PA etc. were trying to find out which one of them is the best. Maybe I'm wrong, what would I know.

[TheDna]

Interesting topic specially the barry reply about what to read in a certain point of your game.
I disagree a bit about it i mean how can you ever read a book and take everything as 100% right ?
I mean everybody should be able to read books and seperate concepts that might help him etc from trash. And even if you read a book that is filled 90% with crap you still learn how certain players think about stuff and use it against them.
I dont think you can read a book and be suddenly a weaker player afterwards.

I think Ace on the river is underrated from alot of 2+2ers, its more a psychological book and thats imo the most important part specially in NLH cashgame where you can easy tilt and burn some cash..

[Diana Ross Fan]

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I think Ace on the river is underrated from alot of 2+2ers, its more a psychological book and thats imo the most important part specially in NLH cashgame where you can easy tilt and burn some cash..

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Good point dna. My complaint wasn't that it wasn't good, it just wasn't good as he could have made it.

BG has the potential to write a great high-stakes poker book with advanced concepts. What we havve with the glossy AotR looks like a year of a poker magazine.