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07-03-2007, 03:57 PM
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Re: Why does the US media behave as if it was state-controlled?
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[ QUOTE ] Left wingers had a shot with Air America. But its failure is very telling. [/ QUOTE ] Actually, AA failed because of the violation of free market principles. It had good ratings and grew amazingly fast -- beyond what the founders thought necessary to make it work. The problem was that major advertisers, starting with Walmart, refused to buy ads. The listenership was there, but they just would not buy. They violated market principles for political reasons. AA is the exception that proves the rule. [/ QUOTE ] What market principal was violated? What rule did this exception prove? 
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#32
07-03-2007, 04:51 PM
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Re: Why does the US media behave as if it was state-controlled?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Left wingers had a shot with Air America. But its failure is very telling. [/ QUOTE ] Actually, AA failed because of the violation of free market principles. It had good ratings and grew amazingly fast -- beyond what the founders thought necessary to make it work. The problem was that major advertisers, starting with Walmart, refused to buy ads. The listenership was there, but they just would not buy. They violated market principles for political reasons. AA is the exception that proves the rule. [/ QUOTE ] What market principal was violated? What rule did this exception prove? [/ QUOTE ] Apple computers, ben n jerrys, and all the non political companies out there couldnt support it? Lots of radio shows survive without Walmart ads.
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#33
07-03-2007, 05:16 PM
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Re: Why does the US media behave as if it was state-controlled?
right wingers have talk radio where they can indulge themselves, left wing people just get their equivalent from different sources, music, green concert events, etc etc. the reason air america didnt work was that its role for liberal people was already taken, not necessarily because it wasnt a good product (not saying that wasn't true).
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#34
07-03-2007, 05:52 PM
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I agree that Air America is generally not entertaining (outside of Rachel Maddow and Randi Rhodes). But it is telling that WalMart and other large corporations won't give them a dime in ad revenue because they espouse unionization and other evils. [/ QUOTE ] Could there be another explaination for why Wal-Mart doesn't advertise on Air America? I am guessing the typical Air America listener is well-educated, relevatively affluent, white, and urban. That doesn't sound like the demographic that usually frequents Wal-Marts. Maybe they think advertising there is not the best way to target their typical patron.
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#35
07-03-2007, 09:13 PM
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Apple computers, ben n jerrys, and all the non political companies out there couldnt support it? Lots of radio shows survive without Walmart ads. [/ QUOTE ] It wasn't just Wal-Mart--the ABC network blacklist was something like 100 advertisers.
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#36
07-03-2007, 09:19 PM
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Re: Why does the US media behave as if it was state-controlled?
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[ QUOTE ] Left wingers had a shot with Air America. But its failure is very telling. [/ QUOTE ] Actually, AA failed because of the violation of free market principles. It had good ratings [/ QUOTE ] Huh??? No it didn't! http://michellemalkin.com/2005/03/02...lousy-ratings/ http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2...-released.html
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#37
07-04-2007, 02:55 AM
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Re: Why does the US media behave as if it was state-controlled?
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[ QUOTE ] Apple computers, ben n jerrys, and all the non political companies out there couldnt support it? Lots of radio shows survive without Walmart ads. [/ QUOTE ] It wasn't just Wal-Mart--the ABC network blacklist was something like 100 advertisers. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, and steve jobs has blacklisted limbaugh and hannity...im sure he has swayed some of his buddies to do the same, yet limbaugh thrives and even touts apple products for free on the air. Imagine that. Maybe companies dont want thier ads run after 12 to 15 minute complain sessions. If you listen to Air America...the basic thrust of every show I have heard is America is going to hell in a handbasket...doesnt really put you in the consuming mood. More like the whats the use mood.
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#38
07-04-2007, 07:33 AM
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The latest conversion of all Iraqi insurgents into "Al Queada" by the American military PR machine is not surprising. Power is desperate to make people percieve this war as one against those who attacked the WTC on 9-11. Our media is happy to play along, despite a long track record of lying and misleading during this Iraq debacle. This general statement was made by all major US press outlets last week: [ QUOTE ] US helicopters have killed 17 gunmen with suspected al-Qaeda links in Iraq's Diyala province north of Baghdad, the US military says. [/ QUOTE ] On complaints from the villagers, the BBC actually investigated and found: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6239896.stm [ QUOTE ] But villagers in largely-Shia al-Khalis say that those who died had nothing to do with al-Qaeda. They say they were local village guards trying to protect the township from exactly the kind of attack by insurgents the US military says it foiled. They say that of 16 guards, 11 were killed and five others injured - two of them seriously - when US helicopters fired rockets at them and then strafed them with heavy machinegun fire. Minutes before the attack, they had been co-operating with an Iraqi police unit raiding a suspected insurgent hideout, the villagers said. [/ QUOTE ] Why is the BBC the only outlet investigating our military's statements after all the BS? [/ QUOTE ] You may have a point but it's impossible to evaulate your claim without posting some links to examples of U.S. media actions. I don't think you should expect forum participants to look up information to support your claim, you should support it. Just my opinion. My impression is that the U.S. media is basically mindless in reporting the events in Iraq and has exhibited poor journalism. Admittedly though I haven't read that many sources so I may be way off the mark on that.
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#39
07-04-2007, 09:46 AM
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Re: Why does the US media behave as if it was state-controlled?
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What market principal was violated? [/ QUOTE ] That you should maximize profits. [ QUOTE ] What rule did this exception prove? [/ QUOTE ] I'm working on it. :-) And the poster with links claiming that AA had poor ratings: The tendentious blogger you cite compares AA to other programs to prove it has small listenership. That is like saying 20/20 has poor ratings because it has a smaller audience than 60 Minutes. SmallER, but not small.
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#40
07-04-2007, 01:32 PM
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Re: Why does the US media behave as if it was state-controlled?
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[ QUOTE ] What market principal was violated? [/ QUOTE ] That you should maximize profits. [/ QUOTE ] ummmmmmmmmm ... maybe the companies that did not advertise on AA decided that they could maximize profits by not advertising to a small listenership of rabid anticapitalist partisans.
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