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#31
06-19-2007, 02:24 AM
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Re: deep - even durrrr said call, fold, or push are all fine.
against a "huge moron fish" i want all the money in the middle at some point (assuming the river isn't a 4th [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]) and i think the best way of accomplishing this is betting the turn. given the read, i don't see any other way to play this and i really don't wanna fold a set.
if the read was "huge moron fish that likes to bluff when checked to", then checking the turn is clearly the superior play. 
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#34
06-19-2007, 02:51 AM
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Re: deep - even durrrr said call, fold, or push are all fine.
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[ QUOTE ] huge moron fish. [/ QUOTE ] This extremely vague read really isn't worth that much in this spot. [/ QUOTE ] Yea and people tend to say huge moron fish way too fast, also huge moron fish =/= person with down syndrome. Big part of the turn bet call range dire gives him is retarted he might bluff out with those when checked to him but call ... Also without knowing what kind of fish he is how do you know we will win more from valuebetting out here then by inducing bluffs by checking? Seriously for every time he calls a bet with a worse hand there is a time he fold a hand that he would bluff with when checked to him. (if the read is just fish, we have to consider the U of both passive and over-aggresive/bluffing fish to check our line against) I think we all agree that if there is as much or about as much value in checking vs betting in cases he doesnt have the flush that checking is 100% better in case he has the flush add both up and ya got a check. This is about as clear as I can formulate my view on it. (sidenote: Obviously if he is an overagressive bluffing mofo fish who likes to make big bluffs in big pots, betting might be better, but then there is no question after the raise then you just shove, this is why isura, me and others say if you aren't snap pushing after he raises, you shouldnt have raised in the first place because then he is the type of villain you should have checked against, assuming he aint this type of guy checking is almost always better)
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#36
06-19-2007, 09:14 AM
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Re: deep - even durrrr said call, fold, or push are all fine.
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The real question is, how do you know durrrr? [/ QUOTE ]
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#37
06-19-2007, 09:17 AM
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Re: deep - even durrrr said call, fold, or push are all fine.
This isn't that tough of a situation. Villain is repping the flush. He has played his hand exactly like a fish would play a flush draw. The worse of a player that he is, the more likely he is to have the flush. Once hero adjusts villain's range after considering the turn action, this just becomes a math problem.
Durr is right, all options are available to hero depending on how he interprets the situation. I figured someone would have chimed in with Bayes Theorem by now [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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#38
06-19-2007, 09:21 AM
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Re: deep - even durrrr said call, fold, or push are all fine.
why hero bets sooo strong..? to fold out worse and get raised by better? C/c turn get boat or quads and go ai..
As played hmm.. I am bashing my head against desk 2x and go alllinnn.. then see that he have me beat & suckout on river..
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#40
06-19-2007, 11:38 AM
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Re: deep - even durrrr said call, fold, or push are all fine.
I think blocking the turn (say like 55) or checking are both reasonable betting 72 in 82 I dont like because given the texture of that turn card a strong bet is going to choke your action hard even if he is a bit fishy.
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