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#31
05-30-2007, 10:48 PM
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Re: Super standard, right?
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I would call soooo light here if I was villain. This is not a strong line at all...it looks like an obvious draw or bluff. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If you do this with JJ/AA/AJ thats just rly rly bad. [/ QUOTE ] hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 
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#33
05-30-2007, 11:18 PM
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Re: Super standard, right?
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If I take this hand in a vacuum and throw balance out the window and really simplify everything, don't I want to be putting in all my money with a chance to knock the other guy out, given that my equity is 50% at best? If I c-bet and he shoves over top, yeah, I'm calling for sure because of pot odds, but it's better for me to win a smaller pot outright. Maybe check/shoving the flop looks exactly like a draw, but bet/calling looks like anything and I'm never way ahead. If I'm going to be racing my money I'd rather give him a chance to fold. If he has KK/QQ/88/whatever (some hand that isn't great), I'd be much better off checkraising the flop rather than bet/calling. Again, this is oversimplifying it and assuming that he'll shove over the top of a bet and call a c/r with the same range. If he has a good hand that he won't fold, it doesn't make a difference what I do. The point of bet/calling is to keep the balance with your later and previous c-bets in similar situations, assuming that this is your regular line (for most people it is) and if we're disregarding balance, I think checkraising is better. I'm kind of playing devil's advocate here and I'm not steadfastly convinced that my line is best, but does this seem reasonable? [/ QUOTE ] I understand what your saying, BUT, a lot of the hands you want to push him off, hes not going to be betting in the first place, so you going to a c/r is not going to work, because his betting range is not going to be that wide, IMO. THis is the way i think about it, lets say he has a pair under Aces, except jacks, how do we want to get him off of this, not c/r because hes not going to bet, we'll bet the flop, and he will probably call but he will be scared as [censored] with the ace out, and if u make a big bet on the turn he will probably fold these hands. Obv as u pointed out your not getting him to fold AK or better anytime, but if u bet flop and turn ur doing your best to get him to fold that other crap
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#34
05-30-2007, 11:20 PM
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Re: Super standard, right?
also, checking looks weak to ppl since they assume that if you cbet a lot on ur 3bets, why wouldnt you when you actually had a hand, so you know where to take it...
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#35
05-30-2007, 11:52 PM
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Re: Super standard, right?
Maybe I misinterpreted everyone saying to bet/call the flop. I agree that double-barrelling any turn is a good line, and one that I do take most of the time. However, if you guys are expecting him to shove or fold the flop most of the time, checkraising seems to be clearly the better line.
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#36
05-31-2007, 12:11 AM
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Re: Super standard, right?
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Maybe I misinterpreted everyone saying to bet/call the flop. I agree that double-barrelling any turn is a good line, and one that I do take most of the time. However, if you guys are expecting him to shove or fold the flop most of the time, checkraising seems to be clearly the better line. [/ QUOTE ] i def dont think hes shoving or folding most of the time, i think hes calling with a decent amount here. And when everyones saying bet call, they are just stating you will have odds to call a shove on flop. I think checkraising all in on the flop is good if you have some reason to belive he is very aggressive and will call a lot of 3bets and fight for pots, and essentially if hes going to be betting a lot of flops with a wide range, IF hes not, you wont have a bet to raise...
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#37
05-31-2007, 01:32 AM
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Re: Super standard, right?
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[ QUOTE ] I would call soooo light here if I was villain. This is not a strong line at all...it looks like an obvious draw or bluff. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If you do this with JJ/AA/AJ thats just rly rly bad. [/ QUOTE ] hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [/ QUOTE ] I understand that these two statements contradict each other, but do u rly think that with AA/JJ/AJ that 1) checking the flop is good and 2) if he checks behind that checking again on the turn is good?
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