Best LHE in the USA???

[Analyst]

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uh bay 101 games are obscenely hard to beat. hyper aggro, rife with crews, and ungodly amounts of money at the tables.

All said and done, I dont see how any Bay Area LHE can make it onto a list in terms of beatable games.

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I suck at poker but basically never worry about table selection at the 20/40 games at Bay101 or Garden City. Sure, there may be a couple of decent players but overall these games are quite soft. You just adjust to the players (in my experience, more loose passive players than LAGs though there are certainly some wacko-aggros as well) like you would in any game. Honestly, I cannot imagine a mid-limit game consistantly softer than the GC 20/40 (note that I've never played Commerce, however).

Good players probably feel about the same way about the 40/80 - it's virtually always a very beatable game. I'd say that typically 4-6 players at the table are decent or better but there're almost always 2-4 weak players (more agg than the 20 weak spots, though) ranging from bad to beyond-God-awful.

Re: Crews. There may be an issue here - Bay101 has put signs on the 100/200 table reminding people of "English only".

[PorkchopDJG]

Sounds like the LHE list may need to be adjusted

1)LA
2)Northern CA
3)Arizona
4)Atlantic City
5)Minnesota
6)Vegas
7)Tunica?
8)Foxwoods??

Lets hear from the Tunica and Foxwoods guys!
How do the LHE games there compare to games you have played in Vegas or LA as far as number of games, fishiness and overall environment to play in?

[mhcmarty]

I'm interested to hear from the Minn. players if they would like to see the room be able to offer NL or keep the room completely Limit?

[Mr Rick]

I have only played 10/20 at Foxwoods and it is a fairly passive game post flop. However, it is also tighter than say LA and more agressive pre-flop than LA (where I played Commerce 9/18 over New Year's weekend...). Typically there are 5 or so 10/20 and 20/40 LHE games total at Foxwoods. It seemed there were more 9/18 games at Commerce running - I wouldn't know about 20/40. I have heard that the 20/40 at Foxwoods is extremely unpleasant and very aggressive (capped 4 way flops are not unusual).

In terms of quality, Foxwoods 10/20 is made up of mostly regulars, a table usually has 2-3 TAGs, 2 LAGs, 2-3 Weak/Tight, 2-3 Loose Passive. Sometimes it can get fun (7 or 8 limpers pre-flop, people calling 3 cold pre-flop, a wild 20/40 regular waiting for the bigger game, etc.).

One unusual feature at Foxwoods is that there are large windows near the side of the room where the bigger LHE games are. Lets the sun shine in.

[ACPlayer]

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You just don't want to be the only one at your table that doesn't understand Vietnamese.

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I speak decent vietnamese and no one would ever guess based onmy ethnicity. Its a good edge to have -- I enjoyed having the edge last time I was in the Bay Area - specifically in San Jose!!!!

For me the easiest games are in Foxwoods as most players play a very straight forward games (and often there is a maniac or two jacking it up). The style to play in FW (and AC to some extent) will kill you on the West Coast (where folding can be expensive).

[mrcunningham]

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The style to play in FW (and AC to some extent) will kill you on the West Coast (where folding can be expensive).

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Would you mind expanding on this? I play in the Bay Area, but will likely be at Foxwoods in the next few weeks for an evening. What do you mean?
thanks,
Mr. C.

[swope]

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The best players on this site would disagree with you. Allow me to introduce you to Dave Frome, aka J.A. Sucker who plays regularly at Bay 101. No doubt he is in the top 5% of players on 2+2, is co-writing a book right now on how to beat tough short handed high limit games with Ray Z, and doesn't seem to have a problem with the games at Bay 101 at all.

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not to hijack the thread but i cant wait to read this book. if you or any of the other regulars think im wrong about bay 101, im inclined to suspect youre right.

at best im a strong-average player and even then only in a small spectrum of game types (good at loose-full games, terrible at hyper aggro short handed, etc), so i can only speak for my own experiences and what i hear over the wire obv.

[Milo]

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I'm interested to hear from the Minn. players if they would like to see the room be able to offer NL or keep the room completely Limit?

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Having NL games would be +EV short term, but long-term very bad. A few months back, I was talking to a typical bad CP 8/16 player, and he told me that he tracked every session (a surprise as he is a losing player). He said that he won $10K the year the room first opened, but now has a net $30K loss. He said the games got much tougher when the REALLY BAD players got busted.

Players like him come back a few times a week to a few times a month, as their finances allow, and continue to fund the games for years. If NL were allowed, he'd get busted in a few months and never come back.

[PorkchopDJG]

I somewhat agree with Milo.
I would like the chance to play NL once in a while but I think it would hurt the upper limit (8/16-30/60) games too much which would be terrible.

I can just keep driving to Turtle when I want to play NL once in a while.

[StuckaRack]

I'm gonna put my 2 cents in for Seattle. They recently raised the max bet to $40, so some places are regulary spreading 20-40.

Except for the indian casinos seattle rooms are all limit. On any given day you can probably find 5 to 8 games between 8-16 and 20-40, and the muckleshoot indian casino regularly spreads 30-60 and sometimes 50-100 and 100-200.

Seattle games are generally tighter and nittier than other places, and only run strong on evenings and weekends, but I'd put Seattle ahead of Tunica.