50NL - I NEVER FOLD

[muddydog]

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c/r looks stronger and you pick off c bet.

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Or you end up raising big with a hand that leaves you OOP with a chunk of your stack in the middle if he calls now turn comes whatever now what? I still don't get how it's any better, it's just more pressure for higher risk /reward.

[Abramovic]

muddydog I prefer c/f to donk bet.

[Daniel LeClaire]

You should mix it up anyways. You should donkbet sometimes, c/r sometimes, & c/c others. You don't want to play one hand the same way everytime. I think they are all viable options and have certain pros and cons to them.

[AFennewald]

looked at his stats we may have set value on this guy. we don't have set value if he is pos aware and raising more on the button because he won't stack off enough.

[muddydog]

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muddydog I prefer c/f to donk bet.

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Maybe this is exploitable at super aggro levels but I just don't understand how unless you know for sure the guy is going to cbet why you would want to completely cancel out this line. Even then you let him cbet then just call... giving up initiative on the hand and letting them see a card on the turn where if they have whiffed overs they have a chance to catch or bluff at any over card and you have no more idea where you are at. It's more likely statistically that he'll have overs here especially on the button so I take down the pot a lot here with this line. But I'll do it with a lot of different hands so I don't think I'm as exploitable doing this as you seem to think the line is.

[Abramovic]

Btw if the king had come on the turn I was folding to the 2nd barrel.

[Shizzle12345]

whats ur username? I want you to call me down when i have that 8.

[bozzer]

Not a grunch, but before I read the thread my line would have been:

3b PF depending on read
as played check raise or fold flop
as played check raise or fold turn (depending on his opening range PF and any read on 2bar freq)
as played fold river (i could see a call if it was a smaller bet. this could be a triple barrel bluff but not often enough for you to call).


I am increasingly leaning towards 3betting these preflop because we don't have great implied odds against a wide button opening in range. I use Att to Steal % as a guideline.

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This type of player is rarely folding to a 3 bet.

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Why is this?


A check raise on the flop doesn't 'turn my hand into a bluff': against a thinking player you are representing being able to beat a cb. (see the Chomp/Ama discussion in Chomp's Get your nits out thread)

[AFennewald]

I was thinking about this a diamond draw is def a large part of his range. the problem is that alot of the diamond draws that he could have have a K in them (although not nearly as many as the A.

[Abramovic]

Would he bet the river though if he hit a king?