"I WANT TO SEE THAT HAND"

[MiamiDave]

I've seen someone removed from the table of a local Indian casino in South Florida for mucking their hands straight into the deck when the dealer was requested to show the hands.

The removed person in question had asked to see another person's hand for no apparent reason, and I guess it pissed the other guy off because it was a runner-runner beat. So the upset guy asked the next hand to see the removed person's cards and the person pushed them directly into the muck, instead. The dealer gives them a warning not to do it again, and they proceed to do so again a few hands later and the floor comes over and makes a ruling that he's had enough for the night.

So yeah, different casinos treat it differently. Like most controvery rulings there isn't much of an industry standard.

By the way, a good dealer is aware of how many cards are entering the muck on each hand to prevent cheating. Although I find it unlikely that a person would try to hang onto a card in a poker game, it's still a possibility, so if a dealer requests a player not to place his cards directly into the muck, I can't really see why I'd disagree with their request.

As far as the other scenarios mentioned above, I've never seen a dealer pull cards out of the muck when the request was made after the cards had already touched it. Once it hit the muck, I'd be extremely pissed off if a dealer pulls it back out at someone's late request.

[Nuevo99]

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Before showdown, random player says "DEALER, I WANT TO SEE ALL HANDS."

Winning player shows hand. Loser throws hand into the muck. Is dealer supposed to show the table the hand?

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How a good dealer handles the situation:
(after the hand is stuck in the muck and throughly mixed)

What? Huh? Oh, you wanted to see the hand? I'm sorry, I didn't hear you, I am kind of hard of hearing in my left ear. Sorry. Why did you want to see the hand anyways? Do you think someone is cheating? Sorry, I did not hear your request -- post your blind please.

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At our local indian casino it seems that the dealers have been recently trained to just quickly take a folded hand and stick them right in the muck quickly as a matter of habit. If anyone asks to see the hand it's impossible to find those two cards then.

I like this, it avoids a lot of hassle.

[MTDog-7]

"If you want to see MY hand, pay ME -- not the rake. If the law in Montana lets you see hands whenver you want and for whatever purpose you want, then Montana sucks."

What are you afraid of to show a hand or two once in awhile when requested? Maybe you don't want other players too see just how bad of cards you called down with? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[Rick Nebiolo]

..."I want to see that hand"

Just another reason why Google rules. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

~ Rick

[kyzerjose]

3. a dick, 4. a dick, 5. a dick, 6. a dick

[Assani Fisher]

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Sometimes dealers don't hear the player. Also some rooms have rules against this such as Wynn.

[/ QUOTE ]please explain.

[bav]

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Sometimes dealers don't hear the player. Also some rooms have rules against this such as Wynn.

[/ QUOTE ]please explain.

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Wynn dealers usually now just flat say "no" to such requests. Sometimes they'll explain the details. Only the player himself or the floor is allowed to turn over someone's mucked hand at the showdown. If you want the floor to do it, you must make a case to him as to why you think that player is cheating and what you expect the cards to show to prove it.

Basically IWTSTH is banned at Wynn.

[Monolith]

why wouldn't you want others to see "how bad of cards you called down with?" That's built-in bluff equity man. Of course you want people to think you call down with total turds.

[MrBrightside]

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Sometimes dealers don't hear the player. Also some rooms have rules against this such as Wynn.

[/ QUOTE ]please explain.

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Wynn dealers usually now just flat say "no" to such requests. Sometimes they'll explain the details. Only the player himself or the floor is allowed to turn over someone's mucked hand at the showdown. If you want the floor to do it, you must make a case to him as to why you think that player is cheating and what you expect the cards to show to prove it.

Basically IWTSTH is banned at Wynn.

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This room will get my business when I go to Vegas. A room with a clue about this rule, unbelievable. At my local inidan casino, Its abused badly.

[TMTTR]

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"If you want to see MY hand, pay ME -- not the rake. If the law in Montana lets you see hands whenver you want and for whatever purpose you want, then Montana sucks."

What are you afraid of to show a hand or two once in awhile when requested? Maybe you don't want other players too see just how bad of cards you called down with? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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I am not "afraid" of showing a losing hand -- internet players have learned poker where they get complete hand histories and think they are always entitled to know what other players are playing. In internet poker, there is more collusion and this is very important. While it also ends up being a useful tool to learn about a player, it is not your right to see a losing hand all the time -- except (apparently) in Montana. If you want to see my hand, pay me and I will show it to you.