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#31
01-22-2007, 02:06 AM
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Re: Calling down with the Nuts!
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3 bet preflop, come on. 50 hand sample big [censored] deal, I'm so sick of people assuming that their 50 hand sample is reliable at all, IT ISN'T. And as played, the river is an easy fold. Do you guys think villain is betting all three streets this hard with AQ? He is certainly going to be bluffing here VERY rarely, and is not value betting a worse hand hardly ever. [/ QUOTE ] calling pf is 100% good 
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#32
01-22-2007, 02:07 AM
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Re: Calling down with the Nuts!
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I agree that the river is likely a fold here, especially given bet sizing and timing, but reraising PF is by no means a necessity. I certainly think it is good, but calling is ok as well. [/ QUOTE ] Occasionally, sure. But you didn't 3 bet because your hud showed 12/4 in dark red numbers, not because "reraising AK is not a nessecity." Am I right? [/ QUOTE ] im pretty sure that this was his thinking which was my problem with the hand because its only over 50 hands. this is the biggest mistep of the hand. and i dont hate a river call here. hes raising AJ UTG which i tihnk is a horrible play, so hes probably not the best of players. and we have played the hand so passively i guarantee that probably no one at the table put hero on AK. [/ QUOTE ] wtf, who doesn't raise AJ utg 5 handed?
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#34
01-22-2007, 02:09 AM
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Re: Calling down with the Nuts!
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I agree that the river is likely a fold here, especially given bet sizing and timing, but reraising PF is by no means a necessity. I certainly think it is good, but calling is ok as well. [/ QUOTE ] Occasionally, sure. But you didn't 3 bet because your hud showed 12/4 in dark red numbers, not because "reraising AK is not a nessecity." Am I right? [/ QUOTE ] im pretty sure that this was his thinking which was my problem with the hand because its only over 50 hands. this is the biggest mistep of the hand. and i dont hate a river call here. hes raising AJ UTG which i tihnk is a horrible play, so hes probably not the best of players. and we have played the hand so passively i guarantee that probably no one at the table put hero on AK. [/ QUOTE ] raising AJ pf is horrible? wahahhahhaha
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#35
01-22-2007, 02:10 AM
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Re: Calling down with the Nuts!
assuming villain recognizes OP as a good texas no limit hold them player. what hands do you think he puts him on when he calls the turn?
Do you think villain is bluffing on the river? or do you think he is making a bad VB?
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#37
01-22-2007, 02:13 AM
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Re: Calling down with the Nuts!
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[ QUOTE ] hes raising AJ UTG which i tihnk is a horrible play, so hes probably not the best of players. [/ QUOTE ] What is wrong with this? I always raise with AT UTG. [/ QUOTE ] Holla, I think machine is about to realize he is a NIT. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]
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#38
01-22-2007, 02:14 AM
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Re: Calling down with the Nuts!
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[ QUOTE ] 3 bet preflop, come on. 50 hand sample big [censored] deal, I'm so sick of people assuming that their 50 hand sample is reliable at all, IT ISN'T. And as played, the river is an easy fold. Do you guys think villain is betting all three streets this hard with AQ? He is certainly going to be bluffing here VERY rarely, and is not value betting a worse hand hardly ever. [/ QUOTE ] calling pf is 100% good [/ QUOTE ] I'm not saying calling is bad, I'm just saying that if your standard play is to 3 bet with AK, and you decide to flat call here because somebody over a ridiculously small sample has nitty stats then that is a mistake. And wtf, raising AJo utg 6 max is sooo standard.
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#39
01-22-2007, 02:15 AM
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Re: Calling down with the Nuts!
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I agree that the river is likely a fold here, especially given bet sizing and timing, but reraising PF is by no means a necessity. I certainly think it is good, but calling is ok as well. [/ QUOTE ] Occasionally, sure. But you didn't 3 bet because your hud showed 12/4 in dark red numbers, not because "reraising AK is not a nessecity." Am I right? [/ QUOTE ] im pretty sure that this was his thinking which was my problem with the hand because its only over 50 hands. this is the biggest mistep of the hand. and i dont hate a river call here. hes raising AJ UTG which i tihnk is a horrible play, so hes probably not the best of players. and we have played the hand so passively i guarantee that probably no one at the table put hero on AK. [/ QUOTE ] raising AJ pf is horrible? wahahhahhaha [/ QUOTE ] meh im pretty nitty but i find i get into more trouble raising AJ utg then from a later position. and FWIW i dont think its a horrible gross play but def not something youd see from a 12/4 which was my point of not relying on his stats.
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#40
01-22-2007, 02:16 AM
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Re: Calling down with the Nuts!
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assuming villain recognizes OP as a good texas no limit hold them player. what hands do you think he puts him on when he calls the turn? Do you think villain is bluffing on the river? or do you think he is making a bad VB? [/ QUOTE ] i think villian played the hand well, and given his UTG raise and the ATJx board, i think this is pretty close to a turn fold. River should have been an easy fold. I excused it in the moment by saying that my hand was underrepresented and that villian could be an idiot with AQ or have AK alot. Given his preliminary stats toward tightness, it's more than likely he's not valuebetting a worse hand by the river and calling hoping for a chop is a losing play here IMO.
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