Negreanu lumps Raymer w/ Moneymaker & Gold

[trying2learn]

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Theres a topic started on his forums about this thread asking him to clarify what he meant by the article.

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poke...howtopic=84176

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That post in his forums says the DN hate has started already. I honestly don't think that's fair. I only posted this because I thought his quote seemed like more of a shot at Raymer than a praise of Joe. That post also says DN wrote the article, which is false.

[Ian J]

Expert stuff right here. Let's call 120 pre w/ 8 high to win 500 more on the flop.

Rolgues Rodriguez Eliminated 24th ($50,745)
Joe Hachem limps in, Mats Rahmn limps and Rolgues Rodriquez raises $100,000 more. Both players call and the flop comes 6s4s2s. Rodriquez moves all in for just over $500,000 and Hachem moves all in on top. Rahmn folds and Rodriquez turns over AdAh. However, Hachem flips over 8s7s for a flush. The turn is the Jh and the river comes the 4c. Rodriquez is eliminated from the tournament and Hachem increases his stack to around $2,600,000 chips.

[LandonM]

I don't know DN personally or anything, but he does strike me as the sort of dude who involves himself in "poker community" pettiness. That, and he's obviously the "Big Friendly [censored] With A Big Grin" type'a guy.

Great player, though.

[IronUnkind]

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Those players that get it all in with 66 pre-flop too often:

Greg Raymer
Chris Ferguson
Howard Lederer
Andy Bloch
Phil Gordon
Phil Laak
Erik Seidel

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Based on this list, I'd say his motives are pretty transparent.

[matt85]

Hachem is a complete class act

[kemystery]

doesn't seidel have like 8 bracelets? well thought out list DN

[cbloom]

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Hachem is a complete class act

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Irony?

[Mediocre_Player]

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From his forum:

"Joe is a good player. The best WSOP champ since Carlos Mortensen, and I don't think it's close. Moneymaker is a PlayBoy now, Raymer is too wild and is prone the Matusow blow up, and Jamie bluffs too much and would get hurt against good players. Joe, on the other hand, is from the same school I'm from, the school of small ball. Other players using a similar approach include:

Phil Ivey
Gus Hansen
Erick Lindgren
Michael Mizrachi
Nam Le
Tuan Le
Phil Hellmuth

Those players that get it all in with 66 pre-flop too often:

Greg Raymer
Chris Ferguson
Howard Lederer
Andy Bloch
Phil Gordon
Phil Laak
Erik Seidel

The school that I went to will allow you to win more consistently in WPT events. The other approach is very good for less skillful events like the $1500 buy in events at the WSOP. Jamie Gold actually went to our school too, but does a few things differently.


It is simply not a coincidence that the players who do well on the WPT take the small ball approach. The other approach is far too kamikaze to win consistently as they get their money in bad far too often for very large amounts. You can suckout sometimes, but if you routinely play large pots in coin flip situations you can't get there too often. In five seasons on the WPT, if you compare this small list to each other you'd see a significant difference in success."


http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-fo...t&p=1603498

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What a clueless clown. Tuan Le is the ultimate aggro/maniac with no consideration/care (I won't say no understanding because I'm sure he does understand but choses to play his style) for preflop equity values. He is the type of player who will put in 40% of his stack preflop with QT .. cash game or tourney.

LOL "small ball". I hate all these terms that get created that apparently only apply to live players/TV-pro's. Daniel N looked like a huge donk in HSP and frankly I think he'd get smoked playing 100/200+ NL on FTP.

Further, isn't there a post from the other day by Good2Cu from the 100/200 or 200/400 FTP NL game that Gus raised, someone 3 bet, Good2Cu shoved over the 3-bet (with KK) and Gus called off ~2:1 with A7o?

LO [censored]L "small ball"

[iAmAddicted]

daniel needs to keep his mouth shut for once in his life. Daniel, you are a poker player, and the whole world does not care of your opinion on every matter. We don't need to know who you think is good, who you think is a donk and who you have high school like quibbles with. Enough Daniel!

[Mediocre_Player]

Here is some of Gus "smallball" Hansen. Smallball apparently is sitting with 32 BB's on a max 100 BB buying table and re-raising 12 of them with A7o. I thought pro's liked to play "deep stacks" so they could "outplay clueless internet players on later betting rounds".

Full Tilt Poker Game #1517838336: Table Canfield (6 max) - $200/$400 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:45:53 ET - 2007/01/02
Seat 1: noataima ($45,794)
Seat 2: good2cu ($40,181)
Seat 3: LFISGD ($5,398)
Seat 6: Gus Hansen ($13,392.50)
noataima posts the small blind of $200
good2cu posts the big blind of $400
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
LFISGD raises to $1,400
Gus Hansen has 15 seconds left to act
Gus Hansen raises to $4,800
noataima folds
good2cu raises to $40,181, and is all in
LFISGD folds
Gus Hansen has 15 seconds left to act
LFISGD: anyone want alittle ub chips for here?
Gus Hansen calls $8,592.50, and is all in
good2cu shows [Ks Kc]
Gus Hansen shows [Ad 7d]
Uncalled bet of $26,788.50 returned to good2cu
*** FLOP *** [5h 6s 5d]
*** TURN *** [5h 6s 5d] [Ac]
*** RIVER *** [5h 6s 5d Ac] [9s]
good2cu shows two pair, Kings and Fives
Gus Hansen shows two pair, Aces and Fives
Gus Hansen wins the pot ($28,383) with two pair, Aces and Fives
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $28,385 | Rake $2
Board: [5h 6s 5d Ac 9s]
Seat 1: noataima (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: good2cu (big blind) showed [Ks Kc] and lost with two pair, Kings and Fives
Seat 3: LFISGD folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Gus Hansen (button) showed [Ad 7d] and won ($28,383) with two pair, Aces and Fives