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#31
12-20-2006, 03:15 AM
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Re: No such thing as a random card/number generator
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[ QUOTE ] Lets see Kathy you started 2 threads, 1 about cheaters at the Wynn and one about RNG's not being random. Paranoid much, try some aluminum foil on your head or a good shrink... Oh and give up poker its rigged.... [/ QUOTE ] GREAT OBSERVATION! More names for you to digest - I might HAVE (or have not) PLAYED WITH/AGAINST: Slim, Puggy, O'Neal, Seymour, Phil, Jack, Betty, along with several DEAD WORLD SERIES CHAMPS. Not to mention The Professor, his sister, and several others of the "new" generation. I MIGHT be paranoid, or I MIGHT KNOW WHAT COLLUSION AND SELF SERVING MANIPULATORS (aren't we all) ARE! Who owns Full Tilt - Ultimate Bet, etc. Are those sites really on the up and up? Who makes the REAL money? The player or the site? What recourse as a player do you have if something/anything goes wrong? Live life with blinders on, it is safe! Our government wouldn't lie to us! Kathy [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] None of this makes you more credible, but it DOES bolster the "doddering old bat that understands nothing about technology" line, so you got that going for ya. 
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#32
12-20-2006, 03:25 AM
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Re: No such thing as a random card/number generator
I don't play on line.
I leave brick and mortar games where I recognize collusion. I don't understand why the "house" allows collusion. I don't understand why someone would defend playing on the internet, when it has been proven the internet involves collusion, with no recourse for the players. Sorry you don't know about the letters that have been sent to players on the internet, who were "scammed". I am old! I am done teaching ya! It is ok to put back what one has learned from playing! Kathy [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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#33
12-20-2006, 03:45 AM
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Re: No such thing as a random card/number generator
lol @ lederer & duke being part of the new generation.
Kathy, I make lots of money online and don't collude. I've never been at the table with people who I've suspected to collude. That's why I play online. From what I've heard alot of the RNGs use mouse movements and timing from the players to help in the randomization process. If this is the case, then it's only possible (with ridiculously sophisticated hacking skills) to find out what card is coming AFTER the last person has acted, at which point it's too late.
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#34
12-20-2006, 04:08 AM
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Re: No such thing as a random card/number generator
Kathy,
I connected to this thread because you responded to a thread regarding must moves at the Wynn on the B&M forum. Overuse of must moves is one of my favorite rants and it usually grabs my attention among these 57 odd forums. Anyway, years ago I played Planet Poker when it was the only online game in town. Turns out they used a single seed into their RNG based on an offset from the atomic clock. In addition, their shuffling algorithm was very shoddy and published online. A computer security company saw this and quickly created software to show every darn card your opponents held (after about a ten minute tune up). They actually had a clip that made it to CNN and at one point contacted me for my input (as to whether I thought I was cheated). Turns out there were people cheating and PP refunded me about $340. Today the shuffling algorithms are much better and the seeds into the RNGs are far more complex (essentially based on user entropy, e.g. where in a 50x100 pixel box you click call/fold/raise) . But that doesn't mean you don't have anything to worry about. For a well thought through article regarding online problems read former 2+2 author Ed Miller aka the NPA's blog. ~ Rick
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#35
12-20-2006, 04:24 AM
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Re: No such thing as a random card/number generator
Kathy,
You know those people in white coats who take care of you in your special house? Listen to what they say, they know what's best for you. Make sure you take all the pills they tell you to take. Ok? And don't throw cats at people, that's not nice.
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#36
12-20-2006, 04:47 AM
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Re: No such thing as a random card/number generator
I can't speak for poker sites' RNG, but I know in the slot industry (I work for WMS, and prior to that worked for IGT), RNGs can be figured out - BUT, if you can get that far, then there are also drastically easier ways to compromise a given machine (such as replacing an EEPROM chip or something).
My point is, with technology in it's current state, the RNGs are virtually the least vulnerable security risk in the process. Also, not all RNGs are software-based. You can use geiger counters, or even atmospheric noise.
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#37
12-20-2006, 04:48 AM
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Re: No such thing as a random card/number generator
For a well thought through article regarding online problems read former 2+2 author Ed Miller aka the NPA's blog. Nice Article Maybe someone else might take the time to check it out? How many spyware sites are "blocked" to your computer? When is the last time you checked? Kathy [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]
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#38
12-20-2006, 06:11 AM
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Re: No such thing as a random card/number generator
Heres the problem i have. The guy in vegas didn't crack the slot codes. He simply went into the slots and made so when he did a certain series of bets that the jackpot would hit.
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#40
12-20-2006, 08:02 AM
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Re: No such thing as a random card/number generator
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For a well thought through article regarding online problems read former 2+2 author Ed Miller aka the NPA's blog. Nice Article Maybe someone else might take the time to check it out? How many spyware sites are "blocked" to your computer? When is the last time you checked? Kathy [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Kathy, lol. That means laughing out loud. I'm not actually laughing out loud, or even laughing for that matter, but lol.
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