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#32
12-14-2006, 04:29 AM
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Re: Why does the bike require the dealer to ask permission to scramble
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#33
12-16-2006, 10:37 PM
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Re: Why does the bike require the dealer to ask permission to scramble
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[ QUOTE ] Link didn't work. Try this one web page [/ QUOTE ] In my life I'll probably read only one patent document but I'm glad it was this one [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] ~ Rick [/ QUOTE ] You should try writing one sometime. Working with the layers to get them to understand can be very challenging.
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#35
12-16-2006, 11:28 PM
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Re: Why does the bike require the dealer to ask permission to scramble
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#36
12-17-2006, 05:55 AM
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Re: Why does the bike require the dealer to ask permission to scramble
It rather amazes me that casinos are paying $15k a pop for these contraptions that seem somewhat unreliable at times, considering how many thousands of these are being sold....
For bridge there has been a machine called "Duplimate" for many years, that will stack the deck in any order desired (if you feed it a computer file with hand records) which can easily be fed random numbers of sufficient size to give you all possible hands with equal probability. This is a fairly low-volume product but it sells for $3000 new - and appears to be able to do everything a shufflemaster or deckmate can do and more. Seems to me there is room for someone new in the poker room and home poker game supply market. I'm sure it'd cost a lot less than $12k to mount one of these on the underside of a poker table!
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#37
12-17-2006, 03:44 PM
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Re: Why does the bike require the dealer to ask permission to scramble
The duplimate does not shuffle - it only *deals* decks for bridge.
It can deal "duplicate" hands by using decks with bar code, but it cannot shuffle. It is useful for bridge only. AB
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#38
12-17-2006, 05:55 PM
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Re: Why does the bike require the dealer to ask permission to scramble
I am having a hard time understanding why the shuffle master is getting flack right now. I am not understating the potential for your idea, Alien Boy, I am just questioning it.
To better demonstrate my thinking, I will refer you to a single deck of cards and black-jack. Deck of cards: If you where to shuffle a deck of cards, whatever technique, so that the cards are not in a predictable order, you would create a random situation. Here I am defining random as you cannot predict with any surety the next card. I am here discluding any mechanic trick, such as a perfect riffle, wherein the cards move exactly some number of spaces, ie. first riffle is one space, second is two, third of four, etc. To demonstrate this take a deck, organize it perfectly, and continue to do perfect riffles. If you cannot do a perfect riffle, then cut the deck into two 26 card piles, and then take one card off each deck and stack them in a way to represent a perfect riffle. But this is all moot, as most shuffles are not perfect, and any CPU randomizer will not create a perfect shuffle. Back on track, a shuffle will be random as long as you cannot predict to next card. In a single deck, you can say for certainty that you have exactly 1/52 chance of pulling an Ace of Spades of the top of the deck. If you do not, then you can say for certainty that you can pull a Ace of spades of the top in 1/51 trials. As we continue this, we get down to the last ten cards. We know exactly what ten cards are left and we can predict in more certainty that such cards will come out exactly 1/10 times. Until the last card, which we can say with 100% certainty that it is what ever card is remaining from the deck. Black-jack. Black-jack players keep a count to say that there is a certainty that what remains in the deck is a certain amount of good and bad cards. This is exploitable because the present deck is not completely random. As we move further down the deck, we know for certainty that there is an exact percentage of high cards, and black-jack strategy can exploit this. If we were to continue dealing until the last card, we would be able to say for certainty that the last card is either high or low. But if we only deal to the middle of the deck our certainty of the last card is only fifty percent accurate. We know that there is a better chance of a certain card coming, but we cannot say with certainty the distribution of cards that we had with ony ten cards left. Now if we shuffle the deck after each hand, we are at the beginning of point number one, that we are not able to say for certainty what card will come off the deck. We would only continue on with a sequence of 1/52 for the first card. No matter how many hands we play, we will be exposed to a 1/52 chance of exposing some card off the top of the deck. Thinking on long term situations, we are not able to ever predict the next card. So for all intents this is a completely random sitaution. Poker. In hold'em, we only see for certainty 7 cards. The two in our hand and the five on the board, and perhaps four more cards for showing down. We cannot say for certainty what our hand will be or the board on the next hand because, although 24 cards are dealt we are only aware of 11 of the 52 cards dealt. This is a random situaion, as we cannot say for certain where our hand is in correlation to the full deck. I hope I explained myself well enough.
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#39
12-17-2006, 07:32 PM
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Re: Why does the bike require the dealer to ask permission to scramble
"By adding an encoder to the motor or motors driving the elevator, and by sensing the presence of groups of suspended cards, the MPU can compare the data representing the commands and the resulting movements to verify a shuffle has occurred. In the absence of this verification, the shuffler can send a signal to the display to indicate a misdeal, to a central pit computer to notify management of the misdeal, to a game table computer, if any with an output display to notify the dealer of a misdeal, to a central computer that notifies security, to a central system for initiating maintenance calls or combinations of the above. " What are the chances that at some point in the future, we hear about a casino using this as the reason to void a jackpot??
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#40
12-17-2006, 07:48 PM
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Re: Why does the bike require the dealer to ask permission to scramble
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"By adding an encoder to the motor or motors driving the elevator, and by sensing the presence of groups of suspended cards, the MPU can compare the data representing the commands and the resulting movements to verify a shuffle has occurred. In the absence of this verification, the shuffler can send a signal to the display to indicate a misdeal, to a central pit computer to notify management of the misdeal, to a game table computer, if any with an output display to notify the dealer of a misdeal, to a central computer that notifies security, to a central system for initiating maintenance calls or combinations of the above. " What are the chances that at some point in the future, we hear about a casino using this as the reason to void a jackpot?? [/ QUOTE ] Not very high. What that says is if the it doenst' shuffle right the red light flashes so the delaer knows it didn't shuffle right. The machines can be networked so the casino can collect data on the machines.
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