Another bubble call (no SNGPT peeking) - a closed book quiz of sorts

[Zeke Yeehaw]

Chart makes a lot of sense, in that as people's range grow, 99 has a much better shot at beating their improved hands than AK, as AK more often needs help from the community cards in order to beat them.

[futuredoc85]

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Chart makes a lot of sense, in that as people's range grow, 99 has a much better shot at beating their improved hands than AK, as AK more often needs help from the community cards in order to beat them.

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you're right but you're thinking too hard. simpler= AK vs Q6 is ~60/40 , 99 vs Q6 is ~70/30

[mackthefork]

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Chart makes a lot of sense, in that as people's range grow, 99 has a much better shot at beating their improved hands than AK, as AK more often needs help from the community cards in order to beat them.

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you're right but you're thinking too hard. simpler= AK vs Q6 is ~60/40 , 99 vs Q6 is ~70/30

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Works the same with 66 obviously from a lower base, Ako is pretty much the same against 40% as 100%.

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre> Range 99 Improve 66 Improve Definition

5% 35.9 33.6 88+,AJs+,KQs,AKo
10% 47.0 11.1 41.6 8.0 77+,A9s+,KTs+,QTs+,AJo+,KQo
15% 51.3 4.3 44.6 3.0 77+,A7s+,K9s+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KTo+,QJo
20% 54.0 2.7 47.0 2.4 66+,A4s+,K8s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,A9o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo
25% 56.9 2.9 48.7 1.7 66+,A2s+,K6s+,Q8s+,J8s+,T8s+,A7o+,K9o+,QTo+,JTo
30% 58.6 1.7 50.5 1.8 55+,A2s+,K5s+,Q7s+,J8s+,T8s+,98s,A7o+,A5o,K9o+,Q9o +,J9o+,T9o
35% 60.5 1.9 51.8 1.3 55+,A2s+,K3s+,Q6s+,J7s+,T7s+,97s+,87s,A4o+,K8o+,Q9 o+,J9o+,T9o
40% 62.0 1.5 53.1 1.3 44+,A2s+,K2s+,Q4s+,J7s+,T7s+,97s+,87s,A3o+,K7o+,Q8 o+,J8o+,T9o
45% 63.3 1.3 53.8 0.7 44+,A2s+,K2s+,Q4s+,J6s+,T6s+,96s+,86s+,76s,A2o+,K6 o+,Q8o+,J8o+,T8o+,98o
50% 64.2 0.9 54.8 1.0 33+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J4s+,T6s+,96s+,86s+,76s,65s,A2o +,K5o+,Q7o+,J7o+,T7o+,98o
55% 65.3 1.1 55.5 0.7 33+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J3s+,T5s+,95s+,85s+,75s+,65s,A2 o+,K4o+,Q6o+,J7o+,T7o+,97o+,87o
60% 66.0 0.7 56.6 1.1 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T3s+,95s+,85s+,75s+,64s+,5 4s,A2o+,K2o+,Q5o+,J7o+,T7o+,97o+,87o
65% 67.1 1.1 57.4 0.8 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,94s+,84s+,74s+,64s+,5 4s,A2o+,K2o+,Q4o+,J6o+,T7o+,97o+,86o+,76o
70% 67.6 0.5 58.2 0.8 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,93s+,84s+,74s+,63s+,5 3s+,43s,A2o+,K2o+,Q3o+,J5o+,T6o+,96o+,86o+,76o
75% 68.4 0.8 59.1 0.9 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,92s+,83s+,73s+,63s+,5 2s+,43s,A2o+,K2o+,Q2o+,J4o+,T6o+,96o+,86o+,75o+,65 o
80% 69.1 0.7 60.0 0.9 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,92s+,82s+,73s+,62s+,5 2s+,43s,A2o+,K2o+,Q2o+,J3o+,T5o+,95o+,85o+,75o+,65 o,54o
85% 69.6 0.5 60.7 0.7 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,92s+,82s+,72s+,62s+,5 2s+,42s+,32s,A2o+,K2o+,Q2o+,J2o+,T3o+,95o+,85o+,74 o+,64o+,54o
90% 70.4 0.8 61.5 0.8 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,92s+,82s+,72s+,62s+,5 2s+,42s+,32s,A2o+,K2o+,Q2o+,J2o+,T2o+,93o+,84o+,74 o+,64o+,53o+
95% 71.1 0.7 62.2 0.7 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,92s+,82s+,72s+,62s+,5 2s+,42s+,32s,A2o+,K2o+,Q2o+,J2o+,T2o+,92o+,83o+,73 o+,63o+,52o+,43o
100% 72.1 1.0 63.3 1.1 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,92s+,82s+,72s+,62s+,5 2s+,42s+,32s,A2o+,K2o+,Q2o+,J2o+,T2o+,92o+,82o+,72 o+,62o+,52o+,42o+,32o
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Mack

[z32fanatic]

Without reading the responses, I'm 99% sure I was the villain and wanted you to fold this hand [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

I think it's probably a call vs. 100%, but probably a fold vs. 85%.

[alanbrown]

OK. Pull out the SNGPT and tell us the answer. I'd like to hear exact $EV difference for calling and folding with 99 or AK against 100% and 75% range.

I'm particularly interested in the 100% range as I've written a tool to do what sngpt does and I'm interested in QAing it with this test vector. My tool will calculate the exact difference in expected prize equity between calling and folding. I assume SNGPT does the same. It might differ on the 75% range if we don't share the same idea of hand ordering

[StregaChess]

Having wasted a lot of time this month doing bubble training crap... So the first thoughts that jumped into my mind without thinking about it...

"fold" "fold"