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well im saying as a standard majority of the time [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]a

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I wasn't being sarcastic. Good job quanifying it.
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[Ampelmann]

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Check-call, reevaluate on turn.

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On what turn cards would you put more money in?

[MrWookie]

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villan is 3 betting : TT JJ QQ KK AA AQ AQs AK AKs
QQ KK AA AQ AQs AK AKs continue to bet till river (KK will check behind on river)

leaving us ahead of 2 hands behind 7
c/c c/f

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In order to really get this right, you need to tell us how many ways he can have each of those hands. For instance, there are a lot more JJ's than QQ's, so you can't count them each as just one "hand."

[Ampelmann]

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villan is 3 betting : TT JJ QQ KK AA AQ AQs AK AKs
QQ KK AA AQ AQs AK AKs continue to bet till river (KK will check behind on river)

leaving us ahead of 2 hands behind 7
c/c c/f

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You should count the hands with their respective multiplicity.

Behind: AA (3), AKo+s (12), AQo+s (6), KK (6), QQ (1)
Ahead: TT (6), JJ (6).

So we're ahead against 12 hands and behind against 28. That's 7:3 as opposed to 7:2. (I hope I didn't mess things up)

Assuming villain bets every street if we check we get 13.5:5 (27:10) for a call down. That's not good enough, so c/c flop c/f turn sounds good.

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if a K drops on the turn i still think we can only beat the same hands we could on the flop... but now they have a more outs to draw out on us....

If a Q drops on the turn the the hand is ours unless he has AA

[DrModern]

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Check-call, reevaluate on turn.

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On what turn cards would you put more money in?

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Basically: A queen.

[MrWookie]

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villan is 3 betting : TT JJ QQ KK AA AQ AQs AK AKs
QQ KK AA AQ AQs AK AKs continue to bet till river (KK will check behind on river)

leaving us ahead of 2 hands behind 7
c/c c/f

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You should count the hands with their respective multiplicity.

Behind: AA (3), AKo+s (12), AQo+s (6), KK (6), QQ (1)
Ahead: TT (6), JJ (6).

So we're ahead against 12 hands and behind against 28. That's 7:3 as opposed to 7:2. (I hope I didn't mess things up)

Assuming villain bets every street if we check we get 13.5:5 (27:10) for a call down. That's not good enough, so c/c flop c/f turn sounds good.

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You don't win the prize, either. There are only 9 AK's and 3 KK's. You forgot that we held a K.

[MrWookie]

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If a Q drops on the turn the the hand is ours unless he has AA

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Or AQ

[shadeball]

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If a Q drops on the turn the the hand is ours unless he has AA

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Or AQ

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yeah that too =P sorry i just woke up

[Ampelmann]

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You don't win the prize, either. There are only 9 AK's and 3 KK's. You forgot that we held a K.

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Ouch. Go back to counting 101.

So we're behind only 22 combinations. Still, calling down seems wrong given the odds.