Trying to claim pot with one card.

[Avaj Rahmni]

I always announce my hand if I feel it is best or maybe 2nd best in a multi-way pot. I don't turn my cards over until someone shows me a winning hand or says they are confirmed. I have often showed 1 card then when the other play confirms it is good I try to muck while the deal demands I turn over the other card. The dealer split a pot as the poker room manager deemed fair in a heads up pot in one game I had played when a similar situation had come up (I wasn't involved with that hand).

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that you are required to show both cards is that the other player has paid to see your hand.

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The real concern is if he had a 5th 7 in his hand that he didn't want to show. A player needs to show both cards to win in a showdown. If a player flashes the 4th 7 and the other player mucks who could they possibly give the pot to if he power mucks his other card.

[AngusThermopyle]

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who could they possibly give the pot to if he power mucks his other card.

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Chop.

[SellingtheDrama]

I've been trying to get time to type this one in for a couple days...probably the first truly bizarre B&M spot I've been in.

Setup: Borgata $340 daily MTT, the very first hand. 6 handed table. I am UTG+1 in the 7. UTG is a dead stack (so he is dealt in and cards mucked). BB is chatting with his friend behind him.

I pick up AQs and raise a standard amount. Folds around to big blind who turns to the table and has one card.

Floor is called....rules that the player failed to protect his hand (his second card was probably mucked with either the UTG or SB's hand, nobody knows) and that his hand is live with one card. A second floor person is called over, and makes the same ruling (without knowing the first ruling). He says he likes the card and calls.

Flop comes T98, we check, turn a total brick - same thing (at this point I'm more interested in just checking it down, this guy seems a little goofy and I'm kinda just hoping to pair up). River K and he bets roughly the size of the pot.
I muck, he shows a jack.

I later talk to the floor person that I am most friendly with (who does handle the tournament area, but was not involved in this ruling), and he confirms that's a house policy.

Curious how some of the other casinos would handle this...

[Milo]

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Just out of curiousity. What if he doesn't. I mean lets suppose that another player and I go to the river, he fires off a bet on the river and when i call him, not wanting to show the bluff, he mucks his hand face down. Now I am the only one with a hand, what happens i toss my cards into the muck in a manner which makes them irretrievable? Who gets the pot?

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You do. Some players will bet then muck when called on the river (there's nothing wrong with this, btw). If they do this it's your pot and you don't have to show.

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The prior poster claimed that Canterbury had a rule " even if the other player has already mucked his hand; the winner still has to fully show down. " your post would seem to be inconsistent with that rule actually existing, unless there is a claim the rule would be enforced some other way (like throwing the player out of the game for mucking his hand).

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Let me clarify with examples.

The board reads AKQJ3. I bet and get called. I turn a Q up on the table and the other player mucks. The dealer will not push the pot until I turn the other card up. Similarly, if I announce "I have a Q" and the other guy mucks, I will be required to show both cards.

Second example:

I bet the same board, get called and insta-muck because I have crap and am bluffing. The dealer will push the pot. If the other player turns a Q over or flashes a Q he will not be required to show both to get the pot.

Now if this player shows a Q only and another player asks to see the second card, I beleive he has that right under the "no taunting" rule, but I'm not 100% on this.

[Milo]

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I've been trying to get time to type this one in for a couple days...probably the first truly bizarre B&M spot I've been in.

Setup: Borgata $340 daily MTT, the very first hand. 6 handed table. I am UTG+1 in the 7. UTG is a dead stack (so he is dealt in and cards mucked). BB is chatting with his friend behind him.

I pick up AQs and raise a standard amount. Folds around to big blind who turns to the table and has one card.

Floor is called....rules that the player failed to protect his hand (his second card was probably mucked with either the UTG or SB's hand, nobody knows) and that his hand is live with one card. A second floor person is called over, and makes the same ruling (without knowing the first ruling). He says he likes the card and calls.

Flop comes T98, we check, turn a total brick - same thing (at this point I'm more interested in just checking it down, this guy seems a little goofy and I'm kinda just hoping to pair up). River K and he bets roughly the size of the pot.
I muck, he shows a jack.

I later talk to the floor person that I am most friendly with (who does handle the tournament area, but was not involved in this ruling), and he confirms that's a house policy.

Curious how some of the other casinos would handle this...

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My understanding is that you must have two cards to have a poker hand. His hand should have been dead, since there was action already to him. Clearly this varies by casino.

You might want to post this as a new thread, rather than burying it here.

[pfapfap]

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I always announce my hand if I feel it is best or maybe 2nd best in a multi-way pot. I don't turn my cards over until someone shows me a winning hand or says they are confirmed.

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This also slows down the game.

You know who I like the best? Someone who simply and without fanfare turns the hand over, pushes it forward so all can see, keeps some fingers on it, and announces the hand. Clean, simple, efficient.

Question for those around longer than I... before online poker, were people so passionate about "I paid to see!"?

[RR]

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who could they possibly give the pot to if he power mucks his other card.

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Chop.

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How can you chop if one player concedes and the only remaining player wants the pot? Id the player that just conceded the only one that gets to chop or does the guy that folded preflop get a share also? A casino can make a rule that I have to show my hand if I have the only remaining hand, but I can't imagine any fine for failing to show the hand being enforable.

[RR]

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I've been trying to get time to type this one in for a couple days...probably the first truly bizarre B&M spot I've been in.

Setup: Borgata $340 daily MTT, the very first hand. 6 handed table. I am UTG+1 in the 7. UTG is a dead stack (so he is dealt in and cards mucked). BB is chatting with his friend behind him.

I pick up AQs and raise a standard amount. Folds around to big blind who turns to the table and has one card.

Floor is called....rules that the player failed to protect his hand (his second card was probably mucked with either the UTG or SB's hand, nobody knows) and that his hand is live with one card. A second floor person is called over, and makes the same ruling (without knowing the first ruling). He says he likes the card and calls.

Flop comes T98, we check, turn a total brick - same thing (at this point I'm more interested in just checking it down, this guy seems a little goofy and I'm kinda just hoping to pair up). River K and he bets roughly the size of the pot.
I muck, he shows a jack.

I later talk to the floor person that I am most friendly with (who does handle the tournament area, but was not involved in this ruling), and he confirms that's a house policy.

Curious how some of the other casinos would handle this...

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My understanding is that you must have two cards to have a poker hand. His hand should have been dead, since there was action already to him. Clearly this varies by casino.

You might want to post this as a new thread, rather than burying it here.

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A lot of places want to kill the hand for only hading one card. None of the people that say it is a dead hand have been able to give to tell me how they think the guy with one card gains an advantage playing only one card. The best floor ruling I have heard of in a case where a player was short a card and the other player asked that his hand be ruled dead so he could win was "I'm not going to be fair, you can use all of your cards to beat his hand, you don't have to discard one to be fair." Note: this decision was made in the late 80s at a time when the floor staff did not have to indulge people who would say "kill that hand so I can have some extra money."

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

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even if the other player has already mucked his hand; the winner still has to fully show down.

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Just out of curiousity. What if he doesn't. I mean lets suppose that another player and I go to the river, he fires off a bet on the river and when i call him, not wanting to show the bluff, he mucks his hand face down. Now I am the only one with a hand, what happens i toss my cards into the muck in a manner which makes them irretrievable? Who gets the pot?

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You get the pot. Do not, however, release the death-grip on your cards until the dealer has pushed you the pot. (this is good advice all the time - the dealer does not get your cards until you get the pot).