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11-09-2007, 11:22 AM
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Re: Christianity, the cancer within the US culture.
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[ QUOTE ] Here is an article that shows how much the military in the USA has changed over the last 50 years. It is unfortunately apparent, not only in the military. From posts on these forums, speeches by politicians and business leaders from the USA, it is apparent that the cancer is spreading. [/ QUOTE ] [x] non sequitur [ ] attack on bush [ ] irritating smiley [x] lol america sucks [x] you're all racist hicks! [x] condescending tone [/ QUOTE ] FYP 
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#32
11-09-2007, 11:24 AM
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Re: Christianity, the cancer within the US culture.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Here is an article that shows how much the military in the USA has changed over the last 50 years. It is unfortunately apparent, not only in the military. From posts on these forums, speeches by politicians and business leaders from the USA, it is apparent that the cancer is spreading. [/ QUOTE ] [x] non sequitur [ ] attack on bush [ ] irritating smiley [x] lol america sucks [x] you're all racist hicks! [x] condescending tone [x] Shame on you, Air Force! [/ QUOTE ] FYP [/ QUOTE ]
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#33
11-09-2007, 11:53 AM
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Re: Christianity, the cancer within the US culture.
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[ QUOTE ] You know who I hate? George Bush. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] You guys may not be smart enough to figure out why, [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] either that or you're to homophobic and racist to know any better but he's such a standard American it makes me sick. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] 10/10 [/ QUOTE ] He missed a couple exclamation points. 9/10 imo.
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#34
11-09-2007, 06:25 PM
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Re: Christianity, the cancer within the US culture.
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Interestingly enough, I had self contelplative Apocalypse Now moment right before I left the Navy. As I was doing one of my last Dirty CT jobs in Europe, I heard Martin Sheen's line run through my head. "They were going to make me a major for this (LCDR in my case) and I wasn't even in their f**king army (navy in my case) anymore!" [/ QUOTE ] Thanks for the important contributions you've made in this thread, especially considering the power wielded by the US Air Force and the Navy's SSBMs. ~ Rick
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#36
11-10-2007, 11:53 AM
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Excellent link. In a 1st: I agree with Migde on this issue. In 13 yrs as a Naval Officer, I saw a steady increase in Christian/religios zealotry. EXs: 1) I was legally separated, from my then wife, just prior to a 9mo carrier battle group deployment as a Sub Liason Officer on DESRON Staff. When we pulled into Perth, Austrailia, I met an awesome woman who I ended up spending most of a week with. A LCDR ( I was a LT) on the staff actually gave me a private ranting anout how I was committing adultery, and could be charged under the UCMJ. I laghed and reminded him I was legally separated and e kept telling me it didn't matter since I was stll married. Luckily, Before I could get in trouble with a sharpish reply, the CSO (Chief Staff Officer), a CDR, happened along, and not hearing our conversation, punched me on the shoulder, with a big grin, and said, "Hey! I saw that hot mama you were with last night. Did ye feck er?" That ended the LCDRs little preaching and judging mission. 2) Missile Submarines in The US Navy, which are exclusively male crewed, have a tradition going back to the 60s, that near the end of a deployment, pictures of women are posted on the each missile tube correpsonding with the number of days left until RTP, return to port. On my last SSBN deployment, around day 19 prior to RTP, I was returning from a watch in the engineroom and I noticed that all the pix had been taken down. That night, at dinner in the wardroom, I asked the table if anyone kenw where the pix had gone. The Executive Officer responded, "Some members of the crew, including myself, found them offensive, so I ordered them removed." I lauged and said, "C'mon, XO! They were SI swimsuit pix, not a midget fecking a donkey or anything even remotely pornographic! His response was a curt, "They were offensive, I had them removed, and that is all!" Now with the whole wardroom watching, and me not known for biting my tongue, I posed a followup question. I asked, "So, XO. You're telling me the pictures of the clothed (in bikinis), beautiful women are offensive, but the missiles tubes on which they are placed, which house up to 10 warheads each, which each are capable of vaporizing over 1 million people instantly are NOT offensive?" He rapidly replied with, "Mr XXXXX, you have a negative attitude towards nuclear weapons!" I said, "You're gawdamn right I have a negative attitude towards nuclear weapons! Do you have a positve attitude towards them?" Before we could heat up any more (and I could get myself in trouble) The CAPT broke in with laughter at the irony on the XOs position and changed the sbject, in a way which made it clear he didn't wan't the argument to proceed any further. The CAPT later told me that he agreed with me but had to acede to the wishes of crewmembers who claimed to be offended. [/ QUOTE ] How do any of those things indicated an increase in religious zealotry in the Navy? I've been a Naval Flight Officer for almost 10 years now and I have seen no indication of this. Although I know of incidents like the one you mentioned, the SI photo one in particular, it has much more to do with the political correctness that has taken hold in the military than with any religious zealotry. As for the original article, it in no way follows that religious zealotry at USAFA = religious zealotry in the Air Force (or military as a whole).
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#37
11-10-2007, 12:16 PM
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Re: Christianity, the cancer within the US culture.
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Here is an article that shows how much the military in the USA has changed over the last 50 years. It is unfortunately apparent, not only in the military. From posts on these forums, speeches by politicians and business leaders from the USA, it is apparent that the cancer is spreading. [/ QUOTE ] This has more to do with the United States Government using something (religion in this case) as a propoganda tool rather than what it is meant to be used as. Just like Prez Bush used his "Fear the Terrorists & Be Patriot" speeches. The United States Government has obvious concluded that if Americans can stomach religious leader molesting young children, stealing their monies, and continue to follow their faith, then they can use religion as a tool also. Whatever gets the sheep to follow. That is how Mr. Bush has managed to to accumulate more national debt than all the other presidents before him combined, without a revolt from American citizens and a demand for his impeachment. It's called propoganda. I've said it before. You've got 5 gigantic corporations controlling 80% of the media. But the mushroom cloud started with the creation of the Federal Reserve.
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#38
11-10-2007, 12:42 PM
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Re: Christianity, the cancer within the US culture.
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How do any of those things indicated an increase in religious zealotry in the Navy? I've been a Naval Flight Officer for almost 10 years now and I have seen no indication of this. Although I know of incidents like the one you mentioned, the SI photo one in particular, it has much more to do with the political correctness that has taken hold in the military than with any religious zealotry. [/ QUOTE ] NFO? Well OBV you aviators wouldn't notice the religious folks, cus you're all convinced that YOU are GOD! [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Unavoidable bubblehead to flyboy barbs aside: The LCDR who was busting my balls over the woman in Australia was a born again Christian who was attempting to force his own religious beliefs upon me by using his poor understanding of the UCMJ. The SI swimsuit pix issue was brought to a head by the new XO, an evangelical, and an EM1, a devout mormon for wholly personal religious reasons vice worries about PCness. These were just 2 examples. I have numerous stories, most seen in the surface and aviation communities. I didn't see a whole lot of the preaching BS on subs or SPECOPs for the simple reason that neither community really has time for the BS. As we both know, SURF ships, esp Carriers, have tons of room to carry marginally contributing sailors. To a lesser extent, in my experience, some air squadrons also carry a little loose change in their support personell. [ QUOTE ] As for the original article, it in no way follows that religious zealotry at USAFA = religious zealotry in the Air Force (or military as a whole). [/ QUOTE ] I disagree wholeheartedly. The USAFA, UNA, and USMA are the core training points for the future of each of the service's officer corps. The numbers in the Officer food chain end up with a significant %(% much greater than the entry accesions %) of the CDR/LTCOL and above officers in each service being academy graduates. Attempting to indoctrinate them religiously whilst they are captive for 4 years is both wrong and longterm damaging to the force. On a different note, what flavour NFO are you, fast mover, fixed wing, or you actually work for a living [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img], rotary wing?
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#39
11-10-2007, 03:29 PM
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Re: Christianity, the cancer within the US culture.
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NFO? Well OBV you aviators wouldn't notice the religious folks, cus you're all convinced that YOU are GOD! Unavoidable bubblehead to flyboy barbs aside: The LCDR who was busting my balls over the woman in Australia was a born again Christian who was attempting to force his own religious beliefs upon me by using his poor understanding of the UCMJ. The SI swimsuit pix issue was brought to a head by the new XO, an evangelical, and an EM1, a devout mormon for wholly personal religious reasons vice worries about PCness. These were just 2 examples. I have numerous stories, most seen in the surface and aviation communities. I didn't see a whole lot of the preaching BS on subs or SPECOPs for the simple reason that neither community really has time for the BS. As we both know, SURF ships, esp Carriers, have tons of room to carry marginally contributing sailors. To a lesser extent, in my experience, some air squadrons also carry a little loose change in their support personell. [/ QUOTE ] Just because there were individuals who tried to force their beliefs on you in whatever fashion does not mean there is a systematic "religionization" of the military. Again, I've been doing this carrier aviation thing for almost ten years now and I can think of one person that was noticeable in his religious beliefs. He was the CO of the one of the Hornet squadrons in m Air Wing and about the pushiest he got was organizing a weekly Bible study class for officers. I cant speak for any other warfare community but I can assure there is very little of what you are talking about going on in Naval Aviation. [ QUOTE ] I disagree wholeheartedly. The USAFA, UNA, and USMA are the core training points for the future of each of the service's officer corps. The numbers in the Officer food chain end up with a significant %(% much greater than the entry accesions %) of the CDR/LTCOL and above officers in each service being academy graduates. Attempting to indoctrinate them religiously whilst they are captive for 4 years is both wrong and longterm damaging to the force. [/ QUOTE ] I agree that (should it be true) what is going on at USAFA is wrong. During my 4 years at USNA I never saw anything of the sort. But it still doesn't indicate that this is a military wide or even Air Force wide problem. [ QUOTE ] On a different note, what flavour NFO are you, fast mover, fixed wing, or you actually work for a living , rotary wing? [/ QUOTE ] In case you didnt figure it out, fast movers. EA-6Bs to be exact.
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#40
11-10-2007, 03:45 PM
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Re: Christianity, the cancer within the US culture.
Fair nuff.
My concerns were that if the USAFA stuff is as reported and goes unchecked it will result in a future religionization of the AF Officer corps. EA-6B? Ok, it's as close to working for a living as any of the fast movers. At least you guys can spend more than 10mins on station w/o whining for more fuel like F-18 drivers. (Spent far too many a TAO watch in CIC on teh carrier dealing with prima donna hornet drivers [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]. Though tis quite a bit of fun when they find out their alert launches originated with some pasty white dood wearing dolphins. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img])
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