What?

[Hail Eris]

I think either fold flop or call flop and jam most turns are ok. Raising flop sucks because we want the donk to overcall.

[shyturtle27]

Calling a pot size donk with nooooo redraws is pretty bad, but I could be wrong. We're getting an SPR of 5 versus villian so that's about what we want in order to commit with TPTK even against a uNL unknown, but we have TP2K so I'd fold and push sometimes provided I have the slightest bit of info on how villian plays. I push AK here however. Calling makes the rest of the hand so difficult.

[hennnerz]

Oh god. I did't even read the hand properly. If it was just you and CO, no MP, then call, re-evaluate turn.

As played I fold here.

[Maunzekater]

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No reads on villain, but the dude behind me is 64/3/1.4. This one's got me totally stumped.


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Well, I just moved up to NL50 and I am a solid, but not very good player. If you, very likely a better player than I am, feels stumped, you should probably fold.

We could talk about WA/WB situtions, ranges, villain's fishy stats and so on.

But basically, you are facing a situation where you are likely playing for stacks - and you don't like this at all.

Fold and bust him later, if nobody is faster.

Just my 2 cents.

[absoludicrous]

How often do we see Ax for 2 pair?

[mvdgaag]

Meh... any option will do, but it is very villain dependent. Here's my thoughts.

- If villain donks FD's/combodraws I like a raise.

- If villain donks weaker aces (which are def. in his range) I like a call and reraise turn, but I think a raise isn't too bad, just less value if he folds.

- Naturally if villain mostly has trips/twopair if he donks I'll fold.

Someone with this stats I think I'll raise (and fold to a reraise), because I think there's a lot of weak aces in his range and he'll reraise a lot of the time we're beat. Yes, we lose our raise to find out, but that might be cheaper than most other lines where we're beat already.

If he calls and donks again on the turn I think we're beat most of the time and fold.

So my plan is to check behind or fold the turn and a call or bet the river if checked to.

If I know he will not likely bet again on the turn if he we have him beat I'll call and bet the turn myself if checked to.

BTW: This shows how difficult it is to play against if you donk a little more than your monsters.

[mvdgaag]

whoops.... misread and stats were on villain. Same goes without a read, I guess. That dude behind you doesn't worry me too much, he's probably calling with worse aces and only making this more profitable.

[terp]

i'd normally raise the flop but i'm happy to keep donkey face behind you in the pot, so i probably call. our equity even against both their hands should be pretty good.

then get it in on most turns.

[flair1239]

I am grunching here.

With no reads on the villan, I think I am pushing here.

After you call the $10, the pot would be about $30, so pushing is not a big overbet. There are plenty of hands you are beating, and this line from an unknown villian frequently seems to be a flush draw.

I can't see folding this with no reads, if you run into 55 oh well.

[kaz2107]

im raising this turn pretty much every time. i think calling is rather weak sauce. an unknown equals me willing to get it all in on this flop with tp2k all day