2K6m. tricky TPTK OOP.

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How weaksauce is it to fold to his PF RR and make note (because he's an unknown..)?

I too would have 4bet (and probably more) but I quite often find myself in really tricky situations like this, wondering whether I should have just mucked pf to the RR instead of getting involved in a big pot OOP with a non-premium hand...

As played, it really looks to me like villain has a hand like AK with a diamond, or an overpair (possibly with or without a diamond)... and with him being an unknown, I'm not sure what size of his range he's calling a turn push with, but I'm pretty confident you are ahead here most of the time. I push the turn and am not unhappy about a call.

[Big_Jim]

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what's a taggy screenname look like?

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smartTAG

[Dan BRIGHT]

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what's a taggy screenname look like?

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smartTAG

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anything that goe slike this:

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( note the importance of the "_")

[flawless_victory]

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what's a taggy screenname look like?

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loloTRICKEDu

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or basically anything w/out a number on the end, hahah.

[Big_Jim]

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I'd say you have odds on calling with any pair (and you have to think mid-pair for villian to 3-bet anyway)

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Hero is offering ~12:1 implieds if he stacks off every time. If he had AA every time, villian is getting decent odds. Since hero's range is obviously wider than that, his implied odds are clearly significantly worse than that.

Offering perceived implied odds is a double edged sword, in this spot. By offering them, we presumeably get ourselves up against a weaker range, making the pot easier to take down in general when we whiff, but OTOH, we have to fire out that CBet, which is bound to be pretty expensive, and probably only slightly +EV, unless you have widened his range SIGNIFICANTLY by making the small raise, as opposed to a larger one.

[krishan]

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what's a taggy screenname look like?

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loloTRICKEDu

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or basically anything w/out a number on the end, hahah.

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Ha, I put a number on the end of mine for just this reason!

Krishan

[raptor517]

i check fold flop, but as played out, im shoving turn like.. 83% of the time. holla

[Requin]

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put it in, he will call you with a pair+diamond.

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[ddubois]

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As a standard, I don't think that cbetting in 4-bet pots is really wise, without a good draw/hand or a board with scary high cards.

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If cbetting in 4-bet pots is unwise unless you hit (and apparently, sometimes even when you hit), and you'll only hit ~1/3rd of the time with unpaired cards, then how often does villan need to fold preflop for your AK/AQ 4bet to be profitable? And do people generally fold that often? without doing the math, my guess is no, not even close.

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[Big_Jim]

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without doing the math, my guess is no, not even close.

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If you think that people are calling 4-bets light, you're crazy.