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Old 08-17-2007, 11:45 PM
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I remember a post by baronzeus saying that he likes to c/r bluff turn aces after c/c the flop because villain is going to be double barreling most of his range on an A turn, which means Ax hands aren't a large fraction of villain's total hand range
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Old 08-18-2007, 12:04 AM
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I remember a post by baronzeus saying that he likes to c/r bluff turn aces after c/c the flop because villain is going to be double barreling most of his range on an A turn, which means Ax hands aren't a large fraction of villain's total hand range

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great strategy.. I should do this more.. Also sometimes people get passive with Ax fearing you have two pair. This works less well against players willing to punish you.

If they dont you can c/r, c/f the river if the board isnt too drawy..
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Old 08-18-2007, 12:08 AM
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I remember a post by baronzeus saying that he likes to c/r bluff turn aces after c/c the flop because villain is going to be double barreling most of his range on an A turn, which means Ax hands aren't a large fraction of villain's total hand range

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great strategy.. I should do this more.. Also sometimes people get passive with Ax fearing you have two pair. This works less well against players willing to punish you.

If they dont you can c/r, c/f the river if the board isnt too drawy..

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sarcasm detector beeped a few times... (?)
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Old 08-18-2007, 08:24 AM
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I remember a post by baronzeus saying that he likes to c/r bluff turn aces after c/c the flop because villain is going to be double barreling most of his range on an A turn, which means Ax hands aren't a large fraction of villain's total hand range

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great strategy.. I should do this more.. Also sometimes people get passive with Ax fearing you have two pair. This works less well against players willing to punish you.

If they dont you can c/r, c/f the river if the board isnt too drawy..

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sarcasm detector beeped a few times... (?)

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ur sarcasm detector is broken [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 08-18-2007, 11:17 AM
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I remember a post by baronzeus saying that he likes to c/r bluff turn aces after c/c the flop because villain is going to be double barreling most of his range on an A turn, which means Ax hands aren't a large fraction of villain's total hand range

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great strategy.. I should do this more.. Also sometimes people get passive with Ax fearing you have two pair. This works less well against players willing to punish you.

If they dont you can c/r, c/f the river if the board isnt too drawy..

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sarcasm detector beeped a few times... (?)

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ur sarcasm detector is broken [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Whoa... I swear when I quoted your message all you had written was 'great strategy...' and it came off as sarcastic.
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Old 08-18-2007, 10:32 PM
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Default Re: Strategic thinking against good players

gave it a try today

Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) yourface is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, SB folds, yourface calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4.5SB, 2 players)
yourface checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>, yourface calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3.25BB, 2 players)
yourface checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">yourface raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button 3-bets</font>, yourface folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to Button.

Results:
Final pot: 7.25BB
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Old 08-18-2007, 11:41 PM
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rofl
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Old 08-18-2007, 11:56 PM
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Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3.25BB, 2 players)
yourface checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">yourface raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button 3-bets</font>, yourface folds.

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Don't be results oriented. Try this 100 more times and THEN let us know the results.
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Old 08-19-2007, 04:44 AM
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Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3.25BB, 2 players)
yourface checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">yourface raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button 3-bets</font>, yourface folds.

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Don't be results oriented. Try this 100 more times and THEN let us know the results.

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Didn't work for my ass, either...

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (10 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 10 BB
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Old 08-19-2007, 05:40 AM
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Default Re: Strategic thinking against good players

yourface and brassmonkey,
you guys are totally misapplying the concept. the board has to get scary for YOU, not him. And even then the point is to call him down with the stuff you have, not give him a chance to make a heroic rebluff.
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