Jackpot coming to Venetian

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The problem with 2-4 is that it attracts the stupidest, dumbest brokest a$$ mo-fo's to the room, plus it tends to kill the action at games like 3-6 and especially 4-8. You don't know how many out of ten would rather wait on a list 15 or 20 deep for 2-4 than play 3-6. So often when 2-4 is running it will have a huge list and any 3-6 or 4-8 game will be struggling to stay full. Now you might think a huge list is good, but you'll have a huge list for a single table when all your other games are 1-2 no limit. Venetian has plenty of tables, but why spread 2-4 when it would be far better to make it 3-6...

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you spread 2/4 because 3/6 would eat into the 4/8 games (same as 6/12 and 10/20 would eat into the 8/16 games).

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On the other hand, if u just spread 3-6 as your lowest game, you'll be just as busy, but the games will have more action and the house will make considerably more in drop. If anyone is so taken aback by the huge sums of money needed to play 3-6 then you've just done the room a favor if they refuse to play.

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If they switch to 3/6 as the lowest game, then 8/16 must be canceled, and replaced with 6/12. Your advocating major surgery, its not necessary. First fix the real problems. Kathy is grasping at straws, she should not touch a thing until a master renovation plan is in place - and by renovation I mean poker room policies.

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May the poker gods have mercy if they add a large BBJP and keep the 2-4, guess I'll just have to play at mirage where at least they do something right.

3-6,6-12,9-18 was perfect, except 6-12 needs $2 chips not $3 chips. Structure counts for a lot and 2 chip 4 chip just sucks major a$$.

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I do agree 3/6, 6/12, and 9/18 (or 10/20 in its place) is a MUCH better progression for the player than what the Venetian currently has. But making this change is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I also agree that the V's use of $4 chips in an 8/16 game is assenine, they kill their own action. Over time it will become the equivalent of playing all 2 chip/4chip games at Foxwoods. A 2/4 chip structure is yet another bad idea Kathy brought from Connecticut where she had no competition, the Wynn does it right with their 4 chip, 8 chip structure.

[Mason Malmuth]

Hi jack:

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I don't know how much impact I had, but she certainly seemed willing to listen. She also seemed receptive to the idea of working out something with 2+2. If Mason and the V had had an autograph session and reception for Winning Tough Games, it might have done good for both parties. This was something else that appeared to intrigue her.

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Perhaps if Raymond ever leaves, we might be able to work something out with a successor. I met with Raymond and some of her staff one evening for a couple of hours last summer and made numerous suggestions. (I also played there a moderate amount until my new manuscript work picked up.)

As far as I can tell, none of my suggestions was adopted and I never heard from her or spoke to her again. Once something like this happens, I'm not real anxious to ever spend any more time with them.

Best wishes,
Mason

[PieInTheSky]

I play 25/50 limit HE at a small los angeles casino with a 40k jackpot and i believe it is good for the game. First and foremost it attracts players with self-weighting strategies that play predictably. Also, since the players are all regular locals, winning the jackpot doesn't take money off the poker table. The winners just bring it back and lose it.

My point is jackpots can have a positive effect on game conditons that outweigh the increased drop.

PITS

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The winners just bring it back and lose it.


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Most of them go buy a car, you just don't know about it.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

Well I party agree and partly disagree.

The V does often appear slow. This might be partly because the room is simply too big for the amount of business, thus it's usually 3/4 empty. On the other hand, if you want to play anything other than 1-2 or 2-5 NL then you'll likely be in a hit-or-miss situation. If it's late on graveyard you will be lucky to find anything but 1-2 or maybe 2-5.

I totally agree that there are too many rooms in this town. But I somewhat disagree that the V can't do anything about that, and here's why. As with all the casinos here in vegas the V has poker, but they aren't really behind poker in any real or meaningful way. The V, like just about every room in town, has tried to jump on the poker bandwagon, but they haven't embraced poker or done what it takes to really make it thrive. This was plain and obvious as day when they made the recent move of cutting the floor pay for poker (not sure if that was all or just dual-rates, but still horrid). Why? I guess they want all the good ones to quit so they can increase the number of lousy ones. They stand a good chance of hitting the 100% mark if the figure I heard is correct. Any why open a huge room in a town that's already (obviously) oversaturated with rooms? That's not what I call getting behind poker.

Still, the poker room is there, hopefully it thrives. I am being pretty critical here, but in all fairness I like the V and often play there, usually 4-8 late at night, sometimes no limit. Maybe someone will read this forun and make changes for the better.

Al

[Clarkmeister]

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The V, like just about every room in town, has tried to jump on the poker bandwagon, but they haven't embraced poker or done what it takes to really make it thrive

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Now this I disagree with. They may not be doing everything well, but they have tried. Especially when the room first opened. Massive freeroll, huge radio ad campaign, lots of internal promotions, celebrety tournament to get TV coverage, double and triple comp rewards to players. They certainly supported the room.

As I've said before, the biggest issue they have, by far, is location. There's no good way to overcome it.

[Don Olney]

The location is not the best but other things could be done to help overcome this.

1/2 and 2/5 no-limit is the rage, so why not offer all the offerings in this area. They have the cap buy-in, why not also offer the no-cap too.

I also believe the "V" should also be willing to spread everything from the 2/4 limit, which does put butts in the seats and DOES NOT TAKE from the 4/8, up-to anything else the players want.
If a group comes from the south and has 8 willing to sit and play a 10/20 limit. SPREAD IT.

oh well, Kathy will do what she can with what she has to work with.

[Dima2000123]

Please keep low stake no-caps out of the poker rooms.

[Clarkmeister]

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Please keep low stake no-caps out of the poker rooms.

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Why?

[Red Lion]

Good thing they are adding this. The last time I was at the Venetian I was over-quaded for 3k. LIVE POKER IS RIGGED!!!!