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#31
09-13-2007, 09:43 PM
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Re: 200NL | When nits attack!.....other nits!
eh... Just my 2 cents:
Which nit is calling a cbet with someone to act behind him with a set on this board? My instinct says he's drawing himself. Sets are a very, very tiny part of his range imo. 
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#32
09-13-2007, 10:49 PM
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Re: 200NL | When nits attack!.....other nits!
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Nits don't float. [/ QUOTE ] Villain is 13/9 over 3,000 hands: Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter) SB: $253.75 BB: $218.75 Hero (UTG): $256.95 CO: $200.00 BTN: $35.00 Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players) <font color="red">Hero raises to $8.00</font>, 3 folds, BB calls $6.00 Flop: ($17) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $14.00</font>, BB calls $14.00 Turn: ($45) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $30.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises all-in to $198.75</font>, Hero calls $168.75 River: ($442.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In) Pot Size: $442.50 ($2 Rake) BB had A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Tens) and LOST (-$220.75) Hero had A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a full house, Tens full of Aces) and WON (+$215.75) Of course they do. And on this board there are tons of opportunities for anyone to be floating us here. I think he's got a draw a good portion of the time on this board. Sure, the only better hand he might fold here is AK but I still think that there is merit to a c/r even if I can't articulate exactly why. There have been some good points brought up as to why it's bad so I am reconsidering what would at least half of the time be my standard line, admittedly more against tough regulars than against unknown nits.
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#35
09-13-2007, 11:00 PM
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Re: 200NL | When nits attack!.....other nits!
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[ QUOTE ] Nits don't float. [/ QUOTE ] Villain is 13/9 over 3,000 hands: Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter) SB: $253.75 BB: $218.75 Hero (UTG): $256.95 CO: $200.00 BTN: $35.00 Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players) <font color="red">Hero raises to $8.00</font>, 3 folds, BB calls $6.00 Flop: ($17) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $14.00</font>, BB calls $14.00 Turn: ($45) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $30.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises all-in to $198.75</font>, Hero calls $168.75 River: ($442.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In) Pot Size: $442.50 ($2 Rake) BB had A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Tens) and LOST (-$220.75) Hero had A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a full house, Tens full of Aces) and WON (+$215.75) Of course they do. And on this board there are tons of opportunities for anyone to be floating us here. I think he's got a draw a good portion of the time on this board. Sure, the only better hand he might fold here is AK but I still think that there is merit to a c/r even if I can't articulate exactly why. There have been some good points brought up as to why it's bad so I am reconsidering what would at least half of the time be my standard line, admittedly more against tough regulars than against unknown nits. [/ QUOTE ] that's not a float
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#36
09-13-2007, 11:03 PM
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Re: 200NL | When nits attack!.....other nits!
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when we're talking about some nit who calls our flop c-bet in a multiway pot? You think he is floating us with some kind of crappy draw (gutshot, bottom pair, etc) or air? Even if he was, why the hell would you c/r as opposed to c/c? [/ QUOTE ] What he said.
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#37
09-13-2007, 11:04 PM
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Re: 200NL | When nits attack!.....other nits!
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What's so bad with just betting the turn? You're ahead of a lot of hands in his range. Is it because he folds the weakest hands to a second bet? [/ QUOTE ] It's because being raised sucks and we're not getting value from many worse hands by betting.
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#38
09-14-2007, 02:01 AM
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Re: 200NL | When nits attack!.....other nits!
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[ QUOTE ] What's so bad with just betting the turn? You're ahead of a lot of hands in his range. Is it because he folds the weakest hands to a second bet? [/ QUOTE ] It's because being raised sucks and we're not getting value from many worse hands by betting. [/ QUOTE ] you kinda nailed my thinking about this hand when looking back at it. I would also like to mention that although the J looks like a good card for me, it is not a great card in respect to how it can be helping his range. Still kinda interested in the CRAI idea, but i dont get floated a lot with how i play unless its against habitual floaters and tbh i think i get snapped off a lot by better hands if this villain bets the turn.
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