What form of government do you prefer?

[Dan.]

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And these are the very last people who gain political power.

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I'm not suggesting that government is full of these people. But your assertion is false too. For example, Clinton (a Rhodes scholar) strikes me as pretty high on these three items.

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Yeah, cheating on your wife and claiming you didn't inhale is well adjusted.

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If "well adjusted" means "just like everyone else"--as it arguably does--then Clinton is well adjusted on these terms.

"Recent studies reveal that 45-55% of married women and 50-60% of married men engage in extramarital sex at some time or another during their relationship (Atwood & Schwartz, 2002 - Journal of Couple & Relationship Therapy)"
http://www.menstuff.org/issues/byiss...litystats.html

"According to an October 2002 Time/CNN poll, nearly half of Americans (47 percent) have smoked pot at least once."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...5/ai_102102598

Not quite a majority on the last one, but enough to be well out of the minority and into well-adjustedhood.

[AlexM]

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And these are the very last people who gain political power.

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I'm not suggesting that government is full of these people. But your assertion is false too. For example, Clinton (a Rhodes scholar) strikes me as pretty high on these three items.

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Yeah, cheating on your wife and claiming you didn't inhale is well adjusted.

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If "well adjusted" means "just like everyone else"--as it arguably does

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Who in the world would argue that? Most people aren't even remotely well adjusted.

[Dan.]

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And these are the very last people who gain political power.

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I'm not suggesting that government is full of these people. But your assertion is false too. For example, Clinton (a Rhodes scholar) strikes me as pretty high on these three items.

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Yeah, cheating on your wife and claiming you didn't inhale is well adjusted.

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If "well adjusted" means "just like everyone else"--as it arguably does

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Who in the world would argue that? Most people aren't even remotely well adjusted.

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Then what defines well adjusted? Whatever you say it is?

[AlexM]

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I'm not suggesting that government is full of these people. But your assertion is false too. For example, Clinton (a Rhodes scholar) strikes me as pretty high on these three items.

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Yeah, cheating on your wife and claiming you didn't inhale is well adjusted.

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If "well adjusted" means "just like everyone else"--as it arguably does

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Who in the world would argue that? Most people aren't even remotely well adjusted.

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Then what defines well adjusted? Whatever you say it is?

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well-adjusted: free from psychological disorder; "a well-adjusted personality"

And yes, it's obviously subjective, so whatever I say it is. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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In the world as it exists today, which apparently does not have "intelligent, peaceful, and well-adjusted individuals" why would you prefer concentrating power and giving it to some subset of these dumb, violent, anti-social people?

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Because not everyone is dumb, violent and anti-social. A subset of the population is indeed "intelligent, peaceful and well adjusted". No society can work without that.

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Ok, then. So really your only objection is external threats?

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Just as there are parts of the world where people band together after a natural disaster, and help one another, and then there is New Orleans.

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Where people banded together and helped each other. While the government did nothing, or made the problem worse by *preventing* people from helping each other. What was the point you were making here?

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In a society with intelligent, peaceful and well adjusted individuals, and with a lack of external threats, libertarian socialism (aka anarcho socialism) is a superior and dignified model. By far my favorite.

In the word as it exists today and will for the next several hundred years, democracy is my favorite form of government.

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This is terribly naive. The belief in the Jesus politicians.

Circumstances is what makes people good or evil.

If you have a state, then it will attract people who seek power. When people get power, they will use it for their own short-term benefit at the expense of other people.

This is a law insofar human behaviour is concerned.

[MegaloMialo]

"Circumstances is what makes people good or evil."

do you want to explain that?

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"Circumstances is what makes people good or evil."

do you want to explain that?

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This will give you part of the answer:



Understanding How Good People Turn Evil: Renowned Psychologist Philip Zimbardo On his Landmark Stanford Prison Experiment, Abu Ghraib and More
http://www.democracynow.org/article..../03/30/1335257

[LotteryOrPoker]

Oops, I think I stumbled into the crackpot forum. That is all, please carry on.

*Edit/Jman220: You can have a day off to think about why you shouldn't make crappy posts in the crackpot forum.

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Oops, I think I stumbled into the crackpot forum. That is all, please carry on.

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That's quite an argument. The stanford prison experiment is actually a very good point in Nielso's favor. But don't let that stop you from trolling.