QQ on J high flop, reraised pot (200NL)

[Casper05]

fwiw yad, I would never fold black KK here against a TAG, but I dont think its that bad either.

[Ringmaster]

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"calling range" implies that he calls everytime, doesn't it?

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Well, yeah, it's pointless to do pot equity calcs which include hands that aren't calling our shove.

[BigPoppa]

Anyone else 4bet this and call a shove preflop?


I think we have SB's 3betting range crushed.

[Casper05]

thats not a reason to 4bet

[sh58]

he is pretty nitty, but over a small sample size, i would probably just shove.

calling is more difficult, because as you say you don't know where you are in the hand. i think that when you don't know where you are you should probably fold, or raise (shove). you don't know which outs are clean etc.

overall here, i think your hand is big enough to shove, i pokerstoved against his range (TT+, AQo, AQs) and you have 60% equity

[Fingerswinger]

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you aren't getting it. We are ahead a TON here, and when we are behind we have good outs. The only 2 hands that suck are KK and AA with a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

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obviously i don't get it!

i assume this is what he calls our shove with:

Board: Jd 3d 6d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 30.899% 29.31% 01.59% 5803 315.00 { QcQd }
Hand 1: 69.101% 67.51% 01.59% 13367 315.00 { JJ+, AdKd, AcKd, AdKh, AdKs }


so everytime he calls, we lose $70 in equity. (have i calculated this correctly?)
each time he folds, we collect $92 from the pot.

meaning he hast to fold a bit less than half of the times for our shove to be +ev. so his c-betting range has to include almost twice as many hands as his "call a shove" range. this might very well be the case, but again, i don't see how it could include like 4 times as many hands, making a shove "hugely +ev".

[evaworcim]

pls shove...you have an overpair and the Qd.

[Casper05]

Fingers, your calling range is too tight. Add TTd, AJ at least...and take into account that we win the pot a lot right there.

[Fingerswinger]

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Fingers, your calling range is too tight. Add TTd, AJ at least...and take into account that we win the pot a lot right there.

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you're probably right. his range might even include some very "loose" holdings because he might just be fed up with me stealing the blinds and being aggressive.

[BigPoppa]

I could imagine him calling with some underpairs with a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (TT/99, maybe lower)