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Old 08-22-2007, 05:13 PM
Imrahil Imrahil is offline
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Default Re: NL 200. KK. Preflop openshove.. Instacall? 200 NL 6max

Who cares? We have KK and it's for 100bbs. Call and suck out on him and start berating him in chat after the hand regardless of the result.
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Old 08-22-2007, 05:13 PM
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Default Re: NL 200. KK. Preflop openshove.. Instacall? 200 NL 6max

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I would snapcall and wouldnt be surprised to see JJ or AK.

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He's done this 5 times, each time with AA, and you want to put JJ and AK in his range because...?

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Because OP stated that he had done it 5 times with 20BB and never with 100BB. If he had done it 5 times with a full stack I would actually think about it before I call.

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So, you're saying that because he has more money behind, his range is wider?

WTF? This makes no sense.

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If he is stil playing a short stack strategy then his shoving range is much wider than AA.
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Old 08-22-2007, 05:14 PM
Logun Logun is offline
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Default Re: NL 200. KK. Preflop openshove.. Instacall? 200 NL 6max

OP is specific in saying the the 5 time the villain has open pushed AA has been with 40BB not 100

Call.
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Old 08-22-2007, 05:22 PM
spivey spivey is offline
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Default Re: NL 200. KK. Preflop openshove.. Instacall? 200 NL 6max

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I would snapcall and wouldnt be surprised to see JJ or AK.

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He's done this 5 times, each time with AA, and you want to put JJ and AK in his range because...?

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Because OP stated that he had done it 5 times with 20BB and never with 100BB. If he had done it 5 times with a full stack I would actually think about it before I call.

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So, you're saying that because he has more money behind, his range is wider?

WTF? This makes no sense.

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If he is stil playing a short stack strategy then his shoving range is much wider than AA.

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Except he doesn't play a TAG shortstack strategy. He plays 20/5, and apparently the only hands that have been seen shown down when he's openshoved is AA.

We're praying his range is QQ+ here, IMO.

That said, I pray and call 100 times out of 100.
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Old 08-22-2007, 05:23 PM
nevereverwin nevereverwin is offline
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Default Re: NL 200. KK. Preflop openshove.. Instacall? 200 NL 6max

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I would snapcall and wouldnt be surprised to see JJ or AK.

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He's done this 5 times, each time with AA, and you want to put JJ and AK in his range because...?

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Because OP stated that he had done it 5 times with 20BB and never with 100BB. If he had done it 5 times with a full stack I would actually think about it before I call.

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So, you're saying that because he has more money behind, his range is wider?

WTF? This makes no sense.

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If he is stil playing a short stack strategy then his shoving range is much wider than AA.

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I dont agree. I think hes range never is waider here bcoz he is afraid of plaing postflop SOO deep + his stats is passive and not 45+/20+...but main question is: Is folding those 2$ such a mistake even if I have KK in this spot?
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Old 08-22-2007, 05:32 PM
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Default Re: NL 200. KK. Preflop openshove.. Instacall? 200 NL 6max

I'm not following.... If he's afraid of playing postflop then obviously his pushing range has to be wider than just AA. Or what do you think he does with QQ? Call? Make a normal raise and play a pot OOP?

If you are 100% sure that this is AA then what is your question? Then its an obvious fold.
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Old 08-22-2007, 05:35 PM
WSOP2007 WSOP2007 is offline
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Default Re: NL 200. KK. Preflop openshove.. Instacall? 200 NL 6max

The bible says: thou shalt not fold your kingdom preflop, so I insta call even before thinking about his history/range.
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Old 08-22-2007, 05:37 PM
Nielsio Nielsio is offline
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Default Re: NL 200. KK. Preflop openshove.. Instacall? 200 NL 6max

Can all the noobs and lurkers stop saying fold...
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Old 08-22-2007, 05:41 PM
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Default Re: NL 200. KK. Preflop openshove.. Instacall? 200 NL 6max

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The bible says: thou shalt not fold your kingdom preflop, so I insta call even before thinking about his history/range.

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Wow you're so right... why should we think about trivial things like history/range when we have 2+2 gospel to play by?
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Old 08-22-2007, 05:45 PM
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Default Re: NL 200. KK. Preflop openshove.. Instacall? 200 NL 6max

have you ever seen him push a hand other than AA? if so, it's a snap call

if not i think it's foldable
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