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10-05-2007, 12:39 PM
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Re: A2o in CO M of 4, 14xBB
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I asked Imsakidd Openshoving face up is -ev by 300 chips or so [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]. He did the math. I still think openshoving is the best option @ a normal table. If the 3 players behind are relatively straightforward/nitty, raise/fold becomes lightyears better. [/ QUOTE ] LOL at asking IMSAKIDD [/ QUOTE ] hes done this math more then most mtters and less then the best stts, I think shortstackers are very good at mtts mid to late stages for this fact and is why most mtters would make very profitable shortstackers. [/ QUOTE ] He hasnt done more than me, especially not on this topic. Also I wish all shortstackers would die!!!!!!! 
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#33
10-05-2007, 01:21 PM
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Re: A2o in CO M of 4, 14xBB
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I asked Imsakidd Openshoving face up is -ev by 300 chips or so [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]. He did the math. I still think openshoving is the best option @ a normal table. If the 3 players behind are relatively straightforward/nitty, raise/fold becomes lightyears better. [/ QUOTE ] LOL at asking IMSAKIDD [/ QUOTE ] hes done this math more then most mtters and less then the best stts, I think shortstackers are very good at mtts mid to late stages for this fact and is why most mtters would make very profitable shortstackers. [/ QUOTE ] He hasnt done more than me, especially not on this topic. Also I wish all shortstackers would die!!!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] MATH CONTESTS FOR ROLLS GO
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#36
10-05-2007, 01:38 PM
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Re: A2o in CO M of 4, 14xBB
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I asked Imsakidd Openshoving face up is -ev by 300 chips or so [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]. He did the math. I still think openshoving is the best option @ a normal table. If the 3 players behind are relatively straightforward/nitty, raise/fold becomes lightyears better. [/ QUOTE ] -EV assuming button is calling A3o. Theres a reason I stopped using the "unexploitable" charts pretty quickly. They're nice to use if you're braindead retarded and can't figure out calling ranges. And I didnt factor in overcalls or anything like that, my math was pretty basic.
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#37
10-05-2007, 01:58 PM
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Re: A2o in CO M of 4, 14xBB
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id be so happy if i found an ace here id be all "im all in son lol get outta my face!" [/ QUOTE ] QFMFT If you guys aren't even shoving A2o here I shudder to think what you would think of my shoving ranges at the Venetians when antes were huge...
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#38
10-05-2007, 02:10 PM
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Re: A2o in CO M of 4, 14xBB
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Openshoving face up is -ev by 300 chips or so . He did the math. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Technically, it is exploitable, but it's close enough that A4o would be unexploitable in the same spot. [/ QUOTE ] Told ya [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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#39
10-05-2007, 02:28 PM
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Re: A2o in CO M of 4, 14xBB
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[ QUOTE ] I asked Imsakidd Openshoving face up is -ev by 300 chips or so [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]. He did the math. I still think openshoving is the best option @ a normal table. If the 3 players behind are relatively straightforward/nitty, raise/fold becomes lightyears better. [/ QUOTE ] -EV assuming button is calling A3o. Theres a reason I stopped using the "unexploitable" charts pretty quickly. They're nice to use if you're braindead retarded and can't figure out calling ranges. And I didnt factor in overcalls or anything like that, my math was pretty basic. [/ QUOTE ] Hhmm I don't think it should be -300 without using overcalls, but I didn't do the math with that much precision. I think it should be much closer to breakeven without overcalls. I'm tempted to run it but whatevs, huge waste of time.
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#40
10-05-2007, 03:23 PM
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Re: A2o in CO M of 4, 14xBB
Anyway, I raised to 1000, button called. Flop was A73. I checked, button bet 2000, I checkraised allin, btton called and turned over ATo, which was good. I felt like a donk buting out with A2o like that.
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