3-betting the flop for protection

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I would think about 3-betting pre, but as played why would you ever lead this flop? I think check-calling leaves us vulnerable to an overcard hitting the turn but check-raising would purely be to protect our hand. since this flop gets so tricky to play, i say 3-bet pre and make things simple.

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okay, so we check he bets $8 we raise to $25. Whats our plan from here on? If he calls, what are we doing on each type of turn? If he shoves, wtf does it mean?

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i think if we check/raise the flop and get shoved on, we can easily fold because villian's range of combo draws + higher overpairs has us in bad shape.

if we check-raise and he calls and the turn is a spade I'm check/folding.

I'm bet/folding a non spade turn.

If the turn is not a spade and my bet is called I'm checking all rivers and calling a bet if it is not a spade.

something like that? of course there would be certain exceptions depending on any reads i may pick up but that would be my guideline of how i would proceed.

[Tickner]

blah blah, check raising flop and bet folding turn is not an option

[carrotsnake]

I didn't say anything about whether c/r was better than lead actually ...

[delta k]

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carrot why is a c/r better than donking?

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c/r is a lot stronger, IMO, and will fold some overpairs. donking probably wont.

but i'm not carrot.

and to respond to my post earlier, you think your bet/3bet is for protection? haha, against what? unimproved overs? ha. AKss? May as well have 22 then.

[Tickner]

but you said c/c, c/f, and donking were bad. c/r is the only other option unless you are telling me to open fold [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[delta k]

Tickner just a comment here- all your posts in this thread make it seem like YOU know the correct answer. it's really funny, to be honest. Take some advice from us, don't insult our intelligence with your silly rebuttals to our points. if you think you played this hand the best way you could in accordance with what you were trying to do (protect?) then why post it?

[Tickner]

okay, delta. you still havent given me a good reason to c/c and our plan on the turn/river yet.

[Tickner]

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Tickner just a comment here- all your posts in this thread make it seem like YOU know the correct answer. it's really funny, to be honest. Take some advice from us, don't insult our intelligence with your silly rebuttals to our points. if you think you played this hand the best way you could in accordance with what you were trying to do (protect?) then why post it?

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I question everything. Im not trying to sound like I know the best play - I dont.

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blah blah, check raising flop and bet folding turn is not an option

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1st off I'm in the check/call camp. i only made the check/raise post cuz you asked what i would do if we were to check/raise. and why is bet folding the turn after we check-raise not an option? probably stack sizes since i really wasn't paying that much attention to them?

[carrotsnake]

err, I said the flop lead was pretty good, ldo ? And I'm DEFINATELY not trying to fold overpairs cuz that just doesn't happen, ever.