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[Mike Kelley]

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I've seen a few posts where people are using Aggression Factor when assesing what a 'donkbet' means (She has a high aggression factor so a donkbet doesn't mean much, for example)

That's the incorrect stat to be looking at right? Isn't BetFlop% a better stat to be looking at when assesing donkbets?

It seems obvious to me, but i've seen lots of people drawing inferences from Agg. Factor. Am I missing something there by taking the aggression factor stat too literally (ie. How often somebody raises&bets versus how often they just call)?

I think thats n00bish enough to go in this thread.

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i dont use this stat to infer much about thier donk bets. generally donk bets from TAGs mean they hit a set and are tryying to pressure u into raising (very +EV play in multiway pots when u have ppl to act after u). and LAGs just do it

most ppl over-use the AF #. that number doesnt have much meaning because it doesnt mean anything until u get to a big sample size (400+hands)

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Agression Factor doesn't take folding into account. So if I folded every hand that I missed the flop and never called but always bet or raised when I hit the flop my agression factor would be infinity. I've seen people infer that the higher the agression factor the higher % chance that the person is bluffing, that's not true.

People seem to refuse to learn this and even when I have linked them to the information, they have written out responses like I didn't check the link but you are wrong, lol.

Agression factor used in unison with Fold TO CB% and CB% is a useful stat.

[LearningCurve]

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why is the chat thread called "purple goose"?

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Whoever originates the thread each month creates the name. Several months ago MT2R started the "White Swan." He cryptically left it up to us to decide what he meant by it. The following month someone started the "Black Swan" and then the "Gray Swan" was formed for September. This month Rider apparently decided to tweak it a bit more, and hence, the "Purple Goose" was born.

[Cry Me A River]

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I tried the legopoker converter. After I pasted the hand there, and hit "convert hand", it disappeared and it said "no hand histories detected". What did I do wrong?

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Maybe you didn't post the whole hand history? Try another one, or maybe post whatever you posted here?

It was Stars, right? The converter doesn't support all sites.

[m bozeman]

The first time I tried, I realized i didn't register for an account yet. I registered, and then tried it, and it still said the same thing. Then, I tried copying and pasting the hand history straight to the forums here, and it works. However, it leaves all the players names in there. I don't know how to get it to say mp mp1, mp2, co, btn, and so on. Also, i don't know how to get it to say hero and villian.

And, yes, it is Stars.

[jem86]

can anyone explain to me what the stats mean i think it has to do with players agressiveness factor or win loss ratio and what not... for instance 11/7 or 33/18/7 (if the numbers can be anything) thanks?

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It does that automatically. I've had lego do funky things pretty often, which is why I started using the other.

[CalledDownLight]

bozeman, I use the link below. Change the format in the drop down bow to 2+2 forums (3rd from the top). Paste the hh in the input box using copy/paste (the whole hand history from the game number through the summary (make sure you don't have summary only box checked on the Stars hh screen). If you want to show results then check that, same thing with if you want important stacks marked. Then hit convert hand. Select output will highlight the new hh in the box at the right. Copy that and paste it directly into a reply. That should work. If it doesn't then feel free to pm me a raw hh and I'll see if it works when I try it.

edit: link

[m bozeman]

In the 11/7 example, the player voluntarily enters a pot 11% of the time, and 7% of those times he enters with a raise. In the other example, in the 33/18/7, the 7 is his total aggression factor. This includes his agression preflop, flop, turn, and river.

[Split Suit]

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can anyone explain to me what the stats mean i think it has to do with players agressiveness factor or win loss ratio and what not... for instance 11/7 or 33/18/7 (if the numbers can be anything) thanks?

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if two numbers are given (17/11), they mean vpip/pfr

if three numbers are given (17/11/3), they mean vpip/pfr/aggro factor

[CalledDownLight]

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In the 11/7 example, the player voluntarily enters a pot 11% of the time, and 7% of those times he enters with a raise. In the other example, in the 33/18/7, the 7 is his total aggression factor. This includes his agression preflop, flop, turn, and river.

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aggression factor is measured as (bet+raise)/call