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#31
10-02-2007, 04:57 PM
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Re: 1-2: how splashy is too splashy?
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Is it really ok to 4 or 5-bet a rundown preflop? To me those are hands that I want to see the flop with and have enough money left to actually have some decisions to make. In all honesty I'm not that crazy about rundowns. I don't think they are as great as advocated. Is this simply an incorrect opinion? [/ QUOTE ] Nah, not incorrect. For people that play a lot of HU games that tend to get deep, 4betting (never 5betting I don't think) rundowns is a great way to get value on a big flop (you flop a str8 they flop 2pr or something or other) and also take down a lot of big pots with bluffs on boards such as AKT, 595, etc... Pretty much anything that suggests that you have aces and will be hard-pressed to fold to a raise... 
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#32
10-02-2007, 05:02 PM
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Re: 1-2: how splashy is too splashy?
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Is it really ok to 4 or 5-bet a rundown preflop? To me those are hands that I want to see the flop with and have enough money left to actually have some decisions to make. In all honesty I'm not that crazy about rundowns. I don't think they are as great as advocated. Is this simply an incorrect opinion? [/ QUOTE ] no, your opinion is not incorrect by a mile and hero's play is not incorrect either. i think its all player style related. either direction is fine.......in my opinion. personally, i like to find a better spot when that deep but hero and villan have history. that play is a long run proposition. it looks thin as hell at best but never the less, some people like to maximize even the slightest edge. it just brings more variance.......if you can stand it.
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#33
10-02-2007, 06:42 PM
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Re: 1-2: how splashy is too splashy?
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I don't know why $82 is that awkward, that's a bet naked Aces can make, and naked Aces should usually fold to the check-raise. [/ QUOTE ] Calling the CR with naked AA would be my default play. pete could be checkraising this flop with a really wide range including alot of 1pairhands, usually with some straight outs or backdoor flush outs. As for the hand, im not sure. I think it might be taking it a bit too far and i wouldnt play it that way. edit, I misread. Villain 4bet and not hero which changes a bit. Maybe were better off 5betting preflop though. Im lost.
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#34
10-02-2007, 06:59 PM
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Re: 1-2: how splashy is too splashy?
It feels like every big pot I see when watching $200/400 is like the one in this thread. Someone raising aces and the other person going all-in with one pair. Is this the way good omaha is played?
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#35
10-02-2007, 07:09 PM
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Re: 1-2: how splashy is too splashy?
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It feels like every big pot I see when watching $200/400 is like the one in this thread. Someone raising aces and the other person going all-in with one pair. Is this the way good omaha is played? [/ QUOTE ] good question. i guess it depends on how many edges one wants to push.....regardless how thin. in my opinion, its probably one of the higher forms of game play in omaha.......but not necessary to make money. i guess one has to decide on what kind of player they want to be and live with it. personally, i like sbrugby's plo game. usually when he stacks off, espeacially deep, he has the right hand to do it with. generally, not something thin like in the case with op. i feel more comfortable with an sbrugby style but thats just me. opinions and comfort levels vary. my comfort level is like a 6 or 7. op seems to be an 8 or 9 and someone like glove55 is a definate 10.
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#37
10-02-2007, 07:13 PM
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Re: 1-2: how splashy is too splashy?
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I'd like it better if instead of two Kings you had a live Queen for two pair outs but that's nit-picking. Nice river, glad I'm nowhere near any of your games [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Normally if I think I'm up against likely aces, I'd rather have the live queen than the pocket kings, obviously. But in this hand I'm not so sure, since I think he usually doesn't have aces. If I really thought he was showing up with aces most of the time here it would be better to fold to the 4-bet preflop, no?
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#38
10-02-2007, 07:18 PM
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Re: 1-2: how splashy is too splashy?
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Is it really ok to 4 or 5-bet a rundown preflop? To me those are hands that I want to see the flop with and have enough money left to actually have some decisions to make. In all honesty I'm not that crazy about rundowns. I don't think they are as great as advocated. Is this simply an incorrect opinion? [/ QUOTE ] i don't think i would ever 5-bet a rundown unless it involved some weird shortstack isolation stuff or it was going to create a 4-way all-in. but i think 4-betting in position with them is frequently right, especially if you're deep enough that a 5-bet would leave you with a PSB or more on the flop.
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#39
10-02-2007, 07:21 PM
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Re: 1-2: how splashy is too splashy?
well pete, if he usually doesnt show aces in this spot, then you are totally making the right play here.
you are definately agro.
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#40
10-02-2007, 07:31 PM
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Re: 1-2: how splashy is too splashy?
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I think my opponent played it fine at each of his decisions, but do you also mean to suggest that every one of my decisions was wrong? [/ QUOTE ] The inital preflop reraise was fine. Calling the 4bet when you intend to play a lot of flops this way is just stupid since it allows him to play pretty much perfectly and only fold when he is ahead a small amount of the time. At least half the time you get it in on this flop you are a 2:1 dog or worse and and the rest you are likely on the light side of the coin. If you intend to get it in regardless because you feel you are crushing his range checkraising full pot is dumb. It basically looks like you were tired of getting run over and finally took a stand.
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