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#31
04-25-2006, 09:08 AM
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Re: How do you control the pot OOP?
Blocking bets are (as far as I know) something you put out at the end if an obvious draw might be completed by the river card, but you have an average hand and don't really care for a showdown (i.e if OP had a weak king).
Unless villain has J9 or 96, the ten isn't that scary and as the hand was played I think you should assume you're best and bet as much as villain would call. 20$ is a bit low. 
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#32
04-25-2006, 09:38 AM
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Re: How do you control the pot OOP?
If villain is a calling station then you should generally be potting the turn and river. AT LEAST potting. Do not underestimate the ability of these people to call off their stacks with TPWK.
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#33
04-25-2006, 10:48 AM
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Re: How do you control the pot OOP?
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[ QUOTE ] Villain is a super fish, VPIP 60+, WtSD 40%, etc [/ QUOTE ] I feel villain will call down w/any king given the description On another note, lets say villain is a reasonable player. What is your line w/TPTK here? What % of the pot do you bet on the flop/turn/river [/ QUOTE ] If I think my TPTK is good, my typical value line is: flop - 3/4 to full pot - full here would be $13.5 turn - 2/3 to 3/4 pot - 3/4 pot here would be $20 river - 1/2 to 2/3 pot - 2/3 pot would be $45 add $4 preflop for a total of $82 from villian. Flop and turn look very standard to your average villian, the question is how much can you get on the river. I'd have to be confident in my hand to go 2/3 on the river - probably more like two pair or a set. From what I've seen, potting the turn scares off too many fish where 3/4 keeps them on the line. Obviously depends on the fish.
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#35
04-25-2006, 11:55 AM
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Re: How do you control the pot OOP?
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Am I the only one who thinks this is wrong? I think our main dilemma should be protection vs pot control, so in a draw heavy board we have to be less concerned about pot control. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with this. Pot control is not an issue when you value bet. You just bet as much as what you think he'll call when you are pretty sure you have the best hand. You want the pot bigger, so you can extract more from your opponent. The dilemma comes on draw heavy boards where you have TPTK and you want to protect your hand, but not so much that you become pot committed when you really don't want to be. For this particular board - there are no draws, so you want to bet only as much as you think he will call. I think the main question that OP should be asking is "how much should I bet on the river", not "what should I do on the river".
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#37
04-25-2006, 12:11 PM
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Re: How do you control the pot OOP?
I fire at the river, probably around 30 or so, and if he pushes i can fold with ease. Even a superfish wont repop with KQ etc. but i could be wrong.
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#38
04-25-2006, 12:28 PM
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Re: How do you control the pot OOP?
Bet about 1/2 to 2/3 of the pot on the flop, the board is dry so we're not too worried about protecting our hand and we want callers, you're saying villian is a super fish then your bet might be fine. On the river I don't understand how this isn't a clear value bet. Bet about 1/2 the pot something like $35 and prepare to fold to a raise.
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#39
04-25-2006, 02:32 PM
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Re: How do you control the pot OOP?
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[ QUOTE ] why do we want a small pot? never known why. [/ QUOTE ] believe it or not a pair of aces can be beat [/ QUOTE ] really doesnt help me understand why a small pot helps
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#40
04-25-2006, 03:03 PM
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Re: How do you control the pot OOP?
Hi Ian,
I don't like your small bet on turn. I'd rather pot it to win it right there, give the player bad odds, and then check and call river. I'd fold to an all in push on turn. I would need a read to call/fold to an all in at river... As played I think it best to check and call river. The flush draw missed, but the straights are there.
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