88 in SB, limped around preflop.

[dickkemp]

PokerStars Game #13344022548: Tournament #67700159, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/11/19 - 18:06:13 (ET)
Table '67700159 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: CubanCigarr (2990 in chips)
Seat 2: Alfparis (1465 in chips)
Seat 3: FantasyPro (1295 in chips)
Seat 4: TheJaguar1 (1740 in chips)
Seat 5: dickkemp (1055 in chips)
Seat 6: bedogado (1185 in chips)
Seat 8: ratZ0198 (2340 in chips)
Seat 9: ahartj (1430 in chips)
FantasyPro: posts small blind 25
TheJaguar1: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dickkemp [7d 7s]
dickkemp: calls 50
bedogado: calls 50
ratZ0198: folds
ahartj: calls 50
CubanCigarr: folds
Alfparis: calls 50
FantasyPro: calls 25
TheJaguar1: raises 300 to 350

i think this hand hits around the same area what would you do here. once again im SSish and lots of dead money. what if my hand was 77 or 99. even tens or jacks?

[dickkemp]

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Why are they worth more?

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later on when the blinds are bigger they are a bigger % of the chips in play. this will matter when that 150 you just stole means an extra 300 later when you have to flip a coin. also the blinds that are dead. minute but every bit helps.

[DetroitHustle]

i probally complete orginal hand
i do not mind shoving though BUT
u will be called a lot though at the 6.50's from my experience.
raising would be retarded imo.(i usually go with if the pot represents 15-20% of my stack and i plan on making a raising i will just shove , a few exceptions obv)
shove or complete.
at 50/100 with the limpers this is a instashove with our 10bb stack. no other move IMO ( i know it wasnt 50/100 in OP i just seen some discussion about it)

[imtav]

This discussion has been very helpful.

What would be best in this similar situation if say button min raised? I'm not too sure how much strength to credit a player when they min raise a bunch of limpers. Doesn't sound like high PP to me because those hands would probably be looking to get heads up and limit the field. Min raise after limpers sounds more like high suited connectors or something else looking to build a big pot.

Would shoving against these limpers and the min raiser be less profitable? I'd probably be so confused that I'd be tempted to fold my 88 there, but that sounds like it just loses me money.

[curtains]

Allin with the 88 is of course correct, this isnt even close.

[DetroitHustle]

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Allin with the 88 is of course correct, this isnt even close.

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Is this because most the time we will get folds and increase our stack by 25%? And if we do get called we are almost certainly flipping and the dead money in the pot warrents this?

[AMT]

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Allin with the 88 is of course correct, this isnt even close.

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Is this because most the time we will get folds and increase our stack by 25%? And if we do get called we are almost certainly flipping or dominating him, but rarely are dominated and the dead money in the pot warrents this?

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[DetroitHustle]

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Allin with the 88 is of course correct, this isnt even close.

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Is this because most the time we will get folds and increase our stack by 25%? And if we do get called we are almost certainly flipping or dominating him, but rarely are dominated and the dead money in the pot warrents this?

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Thanks , by certainly flipping i meant we are rarely dominated. I didn't think about the cases where we are dominating the caller though! Guess it's hard for me to imagine someone calling with 22-77 here (probally because it wouldn't cross my mind to) but it definitly happens occasionaly.

[Scotty_12]

Maybe my game is too leaky for the 6.5s but I am happily shoving this all day with our stack+deadmoney - big overlay and when looked up the worst we are is a coinflip here 97% of the time