Hoss TBF - part of Think Tank?

[danzasmack]

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And FWIW Victor my WTSD is now 45.

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And I thought I was a showdown monkey with 40-41 wtsd...

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tbh i wouldn't even know anything changed if i didn't have PT. it's really weird.

[Schneids]

I have 6000 hands vs Hoss and he has gone to showdown almost 46% of the time and won 51% at showdown.

I go to showdown 41.5% of the time and struggle to crack 50%.

[danzasmack]

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"And FWIW Victor my WTSD is now 45. "

is this 5-6way?

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I'm sure there is some 2-4 handed in there but >90% is 5-6 handed

my WTSD HU is lower

[kahntrutahn]

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I have 6000 hands vs Hoss and he has gone to showdown almost 46% of the time and won 51% at showdown.


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Yea, I can easily tell from that statistic that he is running nuclear hot. He should be winning in the range of 46-49% at best depending on post-flop skill, information on opponents, etc. Simply put though, he is hot hot hot.

[danzasmack]

WTSD also includes hands where you bet and someone folds right? So is he just less aggro and gets c/r'd less or checks behind more?

[mtgordon]

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I have 6000 hands vs Hoss and he has gone to showdown almost 46% of the time and won 51% at showdown.


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Yea, I can easily tell from that statistic that he is running nuclear hot. He should be winning in the range of 46-49% at best depending on post-flop skill, information on opponents, etc. Simply put though, he is hot hot hot.

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Are you saying that because he also has a high WTSD? I had WTSD 41% and W$@SD 55%. Of course I was also a 25/19 so I wasn't in as many pots which could make a difference or maybe I was just running hot also.

Edit: If I go a bit further back in my db I get WTSD 40%, W$@SD 54% or if I include a lot lower stakes I'm only 39% and 44%.

[raptor517]

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I HATE BOTS... The UB bots Victor is referring to can be seen anytime in the 50-100 HU games. Names as follows.
-BMW750i
-Isaac168
-MaoMao88
-banana234
-ccty

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wow what the hell these are confirmed bots? i suspected they were bots because i thought they were all retarded, and they just kinda sit there forever and have autopost on waiting for people to sit.. i dno i dont play a lot of HU limit, but im up 15kish between these 3 in the little ive played. i dont see how they can be very profitable.. i also feel like they have a programmed random computation to 4 bet with whatever hand they raised with like 1/10 times. ive seen all 3 of these guys 4 bet me with weirdass hands like T6o and stuff. i dno if this is normal for min bet holdem.

[Micturition Man]

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I have 6000 hands vs Hoss and he has gone to showdown almost 46% of the time and won 51% at showdown.

I go to showdown 41.5% of the time and struggle to crack 50%.

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Either:

1. He's making a lot of big laydowns, which from my experience I find hard to believe.

or...

2. He's running well.


One other thing to add to this, someone sent me a datamine from the UB 2006 limit games.

Hoss was the biggest winner on an individual account (+675k).

However he also had one of the largest samples (69k hands).

However however, his BB per 100 was quite strong for someone who plays a lot of tough games, especially if the datamine includes heads up tables (not sure if it does). His BB per 100 was 1.8.

Also FWIW I think Joe Cassidy and Thomas Keller might have won more over their multiple accounts.

[Mig]

Hoss is the guy with folded BB to steal around 15% right ?? If my memory is good this guy is a real station in the BB and SB is that correct ? I don't know how he can be such a huge winner with such stats...

[Schneids]

The guy is phenomenal at weighting estimated hand ranges of opponents against the board textures and consequently he takes down a lot of pots when both people have nothing, and he also makes a lot of very good call downs (which also sometimes look stupid). I think that is where the mathematics of his game comes from. IMO he's one of the best.