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#31
10-28-2006, 08:52 PM
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Re: The pretend (preflop) blinds and the real (position based) blinds
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Raising to $175 with a $.50 BB is straightforwardly retarded. [/ QUOTE ] Assume all the players at the table believe they are the superior player. (not a stretch) Would that not eliminate the need for blinds? If there were no blinds what would you open raise to? 
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#32
10-28-2006, 08:58 PM
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Re: The pretend (preflop) blinds and the real (position based) blinds
haven't read all the comments yet, but about the preflop opening amount, I agree that it changes something, but I personally change my hand values and not the raise amount. With deep stacks a bigger preflop raise just effectively turns a deep stack game into a non-deepstacked game, and I don't understand why you would choose to do this, when you are presumably a better deepstacked and postflop player than your opponent. I would be interested to see how exactly people think the hand values change as stacks get deeper.
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#33
10-28-2006, 08:59 PM
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Re: The pretend (preflop) blinds and the real (position based) blinds
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[ QUOTE ] Please explain to me why you would want to raise more pf the deeper you are. That seems plain wrong to me as I don't see any specific correlation to you're stack size and the preflop raise. The size of the blinds are much more important to the amount you raise than your stack size, so unless the blinds are rising I see no reason to increase your raise amount. [/ QUOTE ] You sit down with 5 other people and play NLHE, all of you have 5k each. You decide the blinds should be $50. You decide the blinds should be 50 cents. Are you open raising to $175 in the former situation and $1.75 in the latter, or the same amount in both scenarios? I argued with a couple other 2+2ers about this at Fallsview, as we all started 800BB deep. I'm not sure what to think, but I def believe that as stacks get deeper, the blinds get less relevent, so it makes sense that you should stop using them as the main determinent of your pf raise size. [/ QUOTE ] Actually not. If the standard raise in that game was much higher than the blinds the correct strategy would be fold 220 out of 221 hands and just move allin every time got aces. If it was already raised before the action came to you, you would probably profit more from that hand than the blinds you would have to pay for seein 221 hands.
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#34
10-28-2006, 09:17 PM
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Re: The pretend (preflop) blinds and the real (position based) blinds
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[ QUOTE ] Please explain to me why you would want to raise more pf the deeper you are. That seems plain wrong to me as I don't see any specific correlation to you're stack size and the preflop raise. The size of the blinds are much more important to the amount you raise than your stack size, so unless the blinds are rising I see no reason to increase your raise amount. [/ QUOTE ] You sit down with 5 other people and play NLHE, all of you have 5k each. You decide the blinds should be $50. You decide the blinds should be 50 cents. Are you open raising to $175 in the former situation and $1.75 in the latter, or the same amount in both scenarios? I argued with a couple other 2+2ers about this at Fallsview, as we all started 800BB deep. I'm not sure what to think, but I def believe that as stacks get deeper, the blinds get less relevent, so it makes sense that you should stop using them as the main determinent of your pf raise size. [/ QUOTE ] just read all comments and this one interested me. Raising to $175 with 5k stacks and a 50 cent blind seems pretty reasonable to me. I think basically your preflop opening range should be mostly dependent on how deep you want the game to play, which depends entirely on the table dynamics. Against a player who plays loose preflop and fairly tight and/or well postflop and won't adjust, obviously bigger raises preflop are good.
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#35
10-28-2006, 09:22 PM
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Re: The pretend (preflop) blinds and the real (position based) blinds
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Please explain to me why you would want to raise more pf the deeper you are. That seems plain wrong to me as I don't see any specific correlation to you're stack size and the preflop raise. The size of the blinds are much more important to the amount you raise than your stack size, so unless the blinds are rising I see no reason to increase your raise amount. [/ QUOTE ] You sit down with 5 other people and play NLHE, all of you have 5k each. You decide the blinds should be $50. You decide the blinds should be 50 cents. Are you open raising to $175 in the former situation and $1.75 in the latter, or the same amount in both scenarios? I argued with a couple other 2+2ers about this at Fallsview, as we all started 800BB deep. I'm not sure what to think, but I def believe that as stacks get deeper, the blinds get less relevent, so it makes sense that you should stop using them as the main determinent of your pf raise size. [/ QUOTE ] Actually not. If the standard raise in that game was much higher than the blinds the correct strategy would be fold 220 out of 221 hands and just move allin every time got aces. If it was already raised before the action came to you, you would probably profit more from that hand than the blinds you would have to pay for seein 221 hands. [/ QUOTE ] Nah... In theory, sure. In practice you have things like position, perceived skill advantage, etc coming into play and good and bad players alike will open up their range substantially.
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#36
10-28-2006, 09:23 PM
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Re: The pretend (preflop) blinds and the real (position based) blinds
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Please explain to me why you would want to raise more pf the deeper you are. That seems plain wrong to me as I don't see any specific correlation to you're stack size and the preflop raise. The size of the blinds are much more important to the amount you raise than your stack size, so unless the blinds are rising I see no reason to increase your raise amount. [/ QUOTE ] You sit down with 5 other people and play NLHE, all of you have 5k each. You decide the blinds should be $50. You decide the blinds should be 50 cents. Are you open raising to $175 in the former situation and $1.75 in the latter, or the same amount in both scenarios? I argued with a couple other 2+2ers about this at Fallsview, as we all started 800BB deep. I'm not sure what to think, but I def believe that as stacks get deeper, the blinds get less relevent, so it makes sense that you should stop using them as the main determinent of your pf raise size. [/ QUOTE ] Actually not. If the standard raise in that game was much higher than the blinds the correct strategy would be fold 220 out of 221 hands and just move allin every time got aces. If it was already raised before the action came to you, you would probably profit more from that hand than the blinds you would have to pay for seein 221 hands. [/ QUOTE ] no. that would be the correct strategy if you sucked compared to your opponents, which I don't think should be our assumption. What would you raise to? $1.75? What would your preflop range for raising, calling, 3betting, 4betting, 17betting, etc. With a 50 cent blind would you be comfortable raising KK to $1.75 when you and your opponents have 5k stacks?
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#37
10-28-2006, 09:31 PM
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Re: The pretend (preflop) blinds and the real (position based) blinds
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just read all comments and this one interested me. Raising to $175 with 5k stacks and a 50 cent blind seems pretty reasonable to me. [/ QUOTE ] lol. Can't believe anyone one think this is reasonable. Take 2 minutes to think about why it's not.
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#38
10-28-2006, 09:32 PM
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Re: The pretend (preflop) blinds and the real (position based) blinds
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[ QUOTE ] just read all comments and this one interested me. Raising to $175 with 5k stacks and a 50 cent blind seems pretty reasonable to me. [/ QUOTE ] lol. Can't believe anyone one think this is reasonable. Take 2 minutes to think about why it's not. [/ QUOTE ]It may be a bit of an exaggeration, but raising to say 50 seems reasonble. Please explain how you would exploit this.
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#39
10-28-2006, 09:33 PM
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Re: The pretend (preflop) blinds and the real (position based) blinds
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Please explain to me why you would want to raise more pf the deeper you are. That seems plain wrong to me as I don't see any specific correlation to you're stack size and the preflop raise. The size of the blinds are much more important to the amount you raise than your stack size, so unless the blinds are rising I see no reason to increase your raise amount. [/ QUOTE ] You sit down with 5 other people and play NLHE, all of you have 5k each. You decide the blinds should be $50. You decide the blinds should be 50 cents. Are you open raising to $175 in the former situation and $1.75 in the latter, or the same amount in both scenarios? I argued with a couple other 2+2ers about this at Fallsview, as we all started 800BB deep. I'm not sure what to think, but I def believe that as stacks get deeper, the blinds get less relevent, so it makes sense that you should stop using them as the main determinent of your pf raise size. [/ QUOTE ] Actually not. If the standard raise in that game was much higher than the blinds the correct strategy would be fold 220 out of 221 hands and just move allin every time got aces. If it was already raised before the action came to you, you would probably profit more from that hand than the blinds you would have to pay for seein 221 hands. [/ QUOTE ] no. that would be the correct strategy if you sucked compared to your opponents, which I don't think should be our assumption. What would you raise to? $1.75? What would your preflop range for raising, calling, 3betting, 4betting, 17betting, etc. With a 50 cent blind would you be comfortable raising KK to $1.75 when you and your opponents have 5k stacks? [/ QUOTE ] You are missing my point. If everyone was raising to 175$ preflop you wouldnt need to play KK. You could show a guaranteed profit just playing Ace Ace. If a monkey could play such a game profitably, then there is something wrong with it
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#40
10-28-2006, 09:42 PM
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Re: The pretend (preflop) blinds and the real (position based) blinds
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] just read all comments and this one interested me. Raising to $175 with 5k stacks and a 50 cent blind seems pretty reasonable to me. [/ QUOTE ] lol. Can't believe anyone one think this is reasonable. Take 2 minutes to think about why it's not. [/ QUOTE ]It may be a bit of an exaggeration, but raising to say 50 seems reasonble. Please explain how you would exploit this. [/ QUOTE ] See previous statement. It's not [censored] rocket science to see why those raise sizes are retarded.
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